Minutes: Ubuntu-ZA July 2010

[17:10:46] <tumbleweed> Maaz: start meeting about Ubuntu-ZA July 2010

[17:10:46] * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles

[17:10:50] <tumbleweed> Maaz: botsnack

[17:10:50] <Maaz> Yummy!

[17:10:55] <tumbleweed> Maaz: I am Stefano Rivera

[17:10:55] <Maaz> tumbleweed: Alrighty

[17:10:57] <drubin> I am David Rubin

[17:10:57] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman

[17:10:57] <Maaz> superfly: Righto

[17:11:02] <cocooncrash> Maaz: I am Michael Gorven

[17:11:02] <Maaz> cocooncrash: Righto

[17:11:04] <tumbleweed> drubin: address the bot

[17:11:10] <drubin> Maaz: I am David Rubin

[17:11:10] <Maaz> drubin: Okay

[17:11:11] <maiatoday> Maaz: I am Maia Grotepass

[17:11:11] <Maaz> maiatoday: Yessir

[17:11:12] <wezley> Maaz: I am Wesley Werner

[17:11:12] <Maaz> wezley: Sure

[17:11:30] <gnmza> Maaz: I am Gerrit Maritz

[17:11:30] <Maaz> gnmza: Righto

[17:11:54] <drubin> others can add their identities later.

[17:11:56] <tumbleweed> ok

[17:11:58] <mrs_fly> Maaz: I am Hannah Snyman

[17:11:58] <Maaz> mrs_fly: Yessir

[17:11:59] <tumbleweed> let's get started

[17:12:15] <tumbleweed> welcome everyone. We need to start maving more frequent meetings

[17:12:26] <tumbleweed> but for now, we have this one :) We'll discuss that later

[17:12:30] <drubin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/MeetingAgendas/2010-07

[17:12:36] <drubin> Agenda.

[17:12:44] <tumbleweed> drubin: was just pasting tahat, ^5

[17:13:29] <tumbleweed> if anyone has anything to add to the minutes, please do so

[17:13:39] <tumbleweed> if anyone can't access them because of intl connectivity issues, please shout

[17:13:54] <tumbleweed> Maaz: topic previous minutes

[17:13:54] <Maaz> Current Topic: previous minutes

[17:13:58] <tumbleweed> http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za-2009-12-07-17-02-48.txt

[17:14:31] <tumbleweed> drubin: we have an item about starting meetings with an irc tutorial. is that necessary now?

[17:14:42] <wezley> wow the last meet sure was a while ago

[17:14:51] <tumbleweed> wezley: indeed :/

[17:14:55] <drubin> wezley: yes hence the first topic of the agenda.

[17:15:09] <drubin> Ok I can start by sumerizing stuff from last meeting.

[17:15:45] <superfly> *summarising

[17:15:59] <drubin> Monthly Reports have been happening thanks to maiatoday for her help. (except last month kinda missed the boat so sorry)

[17:16:04] <superfly> that doesn't look right either

[17:16:25] <tumbleweed> yes, I saw that, well done maia.

[17:16:40] <drubin> I have given people access to the Gcal (at least any one that wants it)

[17:17:10] <drubin> Braai kinda happened with release party which was AWESOME thanks again maiatoday + tumbleweed

[17:17:28] <drubin> and we did revamp our "wiki"/website thanks superfly !

[17:17:29] <tumbleweed> yeah, that was good. We need a few more of those...

[17:17:34] <drubin> and mrs_fly for her design input

[17:18:19] <drubin> as for the city stuff I will get to that on point "Activity in other centers. CPT/Stellenbosch seems semi active try get others involved. "

[17:18:44] * drubin is finished.

[17:18:56] <drubin> btw welcome dwidge

[17:19:18] <dwidge> Howzit, thanks. :]

[17:19:43] <drubin> tumbleweed: care to carry on.

[17:19:58] <tumbleweed> sure

[17:20:12] <tumbleweed> I have a big bumper item now

[17:20:17] <tumbleweed> Maaz: topic Upcoming Events

[17:20:17] <Maaz> Current Topic: Upcoming Events

[17:20:50] <tumbleweed> Ubuntu has a few events coming up for beginner developers and people who want to get involved in Ubuntu development

[17:20:55] <tumbleweed> we should advertise those

[17:21:11] <tumbleweed> Saturday is Ubuntu user day, which I don't know about offhand, highvoltage ?

[17:21:25] <maiatoday> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays

[17:21:46] <maiatoday> I've gone to some sessions, good for non techy beginners too

[17:21:47] <wezley> Pretty keen for the Dev week myself

[17:22:13] <tumbleweed> yes developer week is coming up

[17:22:54] <tumbleweed> I doubt there's much much we can we can do for either of those beyond tell people about them

[17:23:02] <drubin> Problem is it is VERY VERY overwelming

[17:23:04] <tumbleweed> they happen on IRC, and are organised by the Ubuntu community

[17:23:08] <tumbleweed> drubin: indeed

[17:23:24] <tumbleweed> people don't realise how easy it is to get involved

[17:23:27] <drubin> Maaz: idea do similar idea to Dev week but host locally with familiar faces and people

[17:23:27] <Maaz> Idea recorded: do similar idea to Dev week but host locally with familiar faces and people

[17:23:51] <tumbleweed> so, that kind of links up with what I want to talk about here

[17:23:56] <maiatoday> be prepared to go to sessions with someone, like an ambassador

[17:24:22] <tumbleweed> CLUG needs a talk next week, and the only volunteer has been me talking about getting involved in Ubuntu / Debian / whatever

[17:24:33] <tumbleweed> I'd like some ubuntu-za input on what could be good here

[17:25:20] <drubin> tumbleweed: date/time? Maybe we and Maia can drive though?

[17:25:21] <tumbleweed> as this is something I've recently been getting into, I'm quite open to running a series of talks on the topic - don't know how helpful that would be

[17:25:47] <tumbleweed> drubin: tuesday, 18:30, UCT

[17:26:23] <maiatoday> if there is a talk during dev week you could do a demo of lernid

[17:26:33] * tumbleweed isn't doing any dev week talks

[17:26:36] <tumbleweed> but highvoltage is doing one

[17:26:54] <maiatoday> no I mean connect to a dev talk during a clug meeting

[17:27:04] <maiatoday> to show people how to follow

[17:27:07] <tumbleweed> oh right. That's totally doable

[17:27:53] <tumbleweed> I've asked a few people I know, and they seem interested in such an event, but they are probably stronger developers than most Ubuntu-ZA members (who probably wouldn't consider themselves devs)

[17:28:15] <highvoltage> good evening

[17:28:17] <drubin> true

[17:28:46] <tumbleweed> the opportunities to get involved are open to everyone, though - not just developers

[17:28:56] <tumbleweed> people don't realise that until they get involved :)

[17:29:02] <wezley> slighty OT, but I'd like a body count for Durban/east coast area, for a CLUG here

[17:29:23] <tumbleweed> wezley: how's LEAD doing?

[17:29:38] * tumbleweed hasn't heard much about it recently

[17:29:55] <magespawn> wezley: i live in hluhluwe. you do not get much more east coast than that

[17:30:31] <superfly> lead is alive, but not very active

[17:30:41] <dwidge> are there any ubuntu groups around the limpopo area?

[17:30:42] <drubin> sorry what is Lead

[17:30:51] <wezley> tumbleweed: soz I'm a bit lost

[17:30:55] <tumbleweed> drubin: the Linux User group in Durban

[17:31:15] <tumbleweed> http://www.lead.org.za/

[17:31:47] <drubin> googled

[17:31:49] <tumbleweed> dwidge: not that I know of - I think you have to start your own, or do things under the Ubuntu-ZA banner

[17:32:17] <drubin> dwidge: PLEASE feel free, see my point later about getting more activity in other centers ;-p

[17:33:02] <tumbleweed> to be honest, even though CLUG is active, we only really have the same 15 people who come to meetings. We are dying out :)

[17:33:05] <maiatoday> I'll make a summary of upcoming events and post it to the list and update websit

[17:33:14] <tumbleweed> maiatoday: great

[17:33:20] <tumbleweed> I guess we should announce such events in here too

[17:33:31] <tumbleweed> to encourage people to stick their noses in

[17:33:33] <maiatoday> how do I do an action for Maaz:

[17:33:36] <superfly> we can set up an events calendar on the website too if we want

[17:33:37] <wezley> Try bring a family member to CLUG day?

[17:33:59] <drubin> Maaz: idea maiatoday will write summary of events and post to list and website

[17:33:59] <Maaz> Idea recorded: maiatoday will write summary of events and post to list and website

[17:34:01] <tumbleweed> Maaz: how do I use meeting

[17:34:01] <Maaz> tumbleweed: Take minutes of an IRC Meeting. You can use it like this: (start | end) meeting [about <title>] I am <True Name> topic <topic> (agreed | idea | accepted | rejected) <statement> minutes so far meeting title is <title>

[17:34:24] <drubin> I wanted an "action" command but we currently don't have that

[17:34:35] <tumbleweed> drubin: "agreed"

[17:35:11] <drubin> it wasn't something that was agreed on though ;-p but for another time

[17:35:50] <tumbleweed> ok, so slightly longer term

[17:35:59] <tumbleweed> Global Jam - 27th - 29th August

[17:36:24] <magespawn> to grow any group you have to get people from outside in

[17:36:29] <drubin> I *really* enjoyed vibe at the last oen and think we should do the same

[17:36:55] <maiatoday> I'll drive it again this time, as long as you help me like you did last time :)

[17:37:00] <drubin> tumbleweed: Since the lab has the repo's and access to interwebs I suggest we do it there again

[17:37:10] <drubin> I will help

[17:37:14] <tumbleweed> drubin: ok, cool

[17:37:20] <tumbleweed> this time we should actually plan some talks

[17:37:31] <tumbleweed> I think I lost everyone last time (and gave some bad advice)

[17:37:33] <drubin> gives me an excuse to upgrade to ubuntu+1

[17:37:47] <magespawn> I also do not mind helping even though I am up in Hluhluwe

[17:38:01] <drubin> Maaz: agreed We need to plan talks for Global Jam tumbleweed, maiatoday, drubin to help plan

[17:38:01] <Maaz> Agreed: We need to plan talks for Global Jam tumbleweed, maiatoday, drubin to help plan

[17:38:15] <superfly> tumbleweed: what sort of talks or stuff do you do and the Global Jam, and what sort of people attend?

[17:38:22] <dwidge> where is most of the linux activity (ie. gatherings, meetings) happening in south africa?

[17:38:31] <drubin> magespawn: We would love your help but I think it would be better if we possibly do *another* jam in your area

[17:38:35] <tumbleweed> superfly: last time we got a fair chunk of people who I don't see at CLUG talks, as well as a few regulars

[17:38:35] <superfly> dwidge: probably cape town

[17:38:38] <drubin> maybe we could help you plan that.

[17:39:17] <tumbleweed> superfly: some relative beginners, - there always seem to be a fwe people who need help with hardware configuration

[17:39:19] <maiatoday> dwidge I have a good collection of links for planning too

[17:39:30] <drubin> superfly: It was mostly people that marcog got from #algorithm and they upgraded to lucid and maiatoday brought the stellies. ;-p was really nice more new ubuntu users then hardcore sys admins

[17:39:32] <magespawn> drubin I can get myself down to Durban on a semi regular basis is given enough warning

[17:40:03] <drubin> maybe dwidge and you can plan on in durbs? and we can have a IRC feed ot live chat thing going?

[17:40:06] <magespawn> is =if

[17:40:28] <maiatoday> maybe we should ask on the list what kind of talks people want

[17:40:58] <drubin> maiatoday: People don't reply. IMHO I think we should just pick something and do it and people will come

[17:41:05] <drubin> and do it well.

[17:41:18] <maiatoday> ok I'll do one on using Scribus

[17:41:46] <magespawn> is there a way we can get people who are not already part of the community?

[17:42:10] <drubin> magespawn: Put up posters in malls, or post on non ubuntu forums, myadsl

[17:42:34] <magespawn> maybe by doing events in a as public place as possible?

[17:43:09] <wezley> magespawn: any idea for what kind of events?

[17:43:21] <drubin> magespawn: See ubuntu hour as well https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hour

[17:43:45] * wezley thinks public game lan to show off some colour ;p

[17:43:59] * drubin thinks we should side line the events of the events

[17:44:14] <drubin> and rather discuss who should take on repsonsiblity for driving them.

[17:44:46] <inetpro> Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer

[17:44:46] <Maaz> inetpro: Yessir

[17:44:55] * inetpro trying to catch up

[17:44:59] <inetpro> sorry for being late

[17:45:20] <tumbleweed> Maaz: minutes so far

[17:45:20] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2010-07-08-17-10-46.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2010-07-08-17-10-46.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2010-07-08-17-10-46.html

[17:45:39] <tumbleweed> cocooncrash: please fix perms

[17:45:46] <drubin> ^5

[17:46:37] <magespawn> I have to go home y'all. Will try to catch the end from the other side later.

[17:46:38] <drubin> Ok so CPT has 3 drivers for global jams who is going to take on resposnibility for the other centers

[17:46:58] <magespawn> I can help for Durban.

[17:47:09] <wezley> magespawn: Me too

[17:47:15] <tumbleweed> magespawn: I get the feeling that if you want things to happen you have to do something

[17:47:26] <tumbleweed> so we should probably plan something for Duban then :)

[17:47:38] <drubin> where we in magespawn + wezley

[17:47:41] * superfly needs to go

[17:47:55] <wezley> I vote for an Ubuntu hour and work from there, we need a few more

[17:47:58] <drubin> it is *very* hard to plan something you can't possibly attend and not in your city

[17:48:11] <tumbleweed> we should probably do an Ubuntu hour in cape town

[17:48:16] <tumbleweed> I'll take on doing one at UCT

[17:48:24] * wezley is Durban city, but very mobile

[17:48:25] <tumbleweed> (or nearby)

[17:48:26] <drubin> Maaz: agreed wezley Will do an ubuntu hour in Durbs

[17:48:26] <Maaz> Agreed: wezley Will do an ubuntu hour in Durbs

[17:48:46] <drubin> Maaz: agreed tumbleweed will make Ubuntu hour in CPT happen

[17:48:46] <Maaz> Agreed: tumbleweed will make Ubuntu hour in CPT happen

[17:48:48] <wezley> drubin: fantastic :)

[17:49:07] <tumbleweed> ok, far future is Software Freedom Day an dthe next release party

[17:49:10] <drubin> wezley: I am always around to bounce ideas off of

[17:49:16] <tumbleweed> we need to start thinking about those, but we don't need to do anything yet

[17:49:26] <magespawn> indeed but I will leave it to yocals to guide me. count me in for ubuntu hour in durbs.

[17:49:37] <tumbleweed> magespawn: talk to maiatoday :)

[17:50:06] <maiatoday> magespawn: it's easy

[17:50:17] <drubin> it is just scary.

[17:50:21] <drubin> well the first one can be.

[17:50:41] <drubin> at least form my point I didn't know if any one else would show up.

[17:50:56] <magespawn> nah i face elephants, but must go see you later.

[17:51:05] <inetpro> are we still on track with the Agenda?

[17:51:13] <drubin> no we are behind.

[17:51:24] <tumbleweed> the agenda doesn't have times

[17:51:42] <tumbleweed> however, we've already dealt with teh next issue

[17:51:47] <tumbleweed> which is doing things in areas outside of capetown

[17:51:53] <inetpro> perhaps points on the Agenda should be numbered?

[17:51:55] <dwidge> i've noticed myself how many people are somewhat prejudiced against using linux. even though linux has come so far in ease of use (ie ubuntu), and is so much cheaper than windows, they don't want to give it a chance, saying that it's too technical. maybe have a talk/practical lesson for potential users to try it out?

[17:52:18] <drubin> dwidge: Great idea.

[17:52:25] <tumbleweed> dwidge: that's why we need to get more less-technical people involved

[17:52:42] <tumbleweed> at the moment, many of the loud advocates are people like me (who have long hair and look geeky)

[17:52:48] <tumbleweed> we need to change that :)

[17:52:57] <dwidge> :)

[17:53:44] <tumbleweed> next item if I may

[17:53:47] <drubin> tumbleweed: We haven't really.

[17:53:56] <tumbleweed> Maaz: topic Website. Reviews/ Posts

[17:53:56] <Maaz> Current Topic: Website. Reviews/ Posts

[17:54:04] <drubin> ok next time

[17:54:07] <tumbleweed> superfly has now gone. Anything we need to discuss?

[17:54:22] <drubin> we need to add more stuff to the website/blog

[17:54:36] <drubin> For starts some one needs to write a post on this meeting ;-p

[17:54:39] <drubin> Any takers?

[17:54:44] <maiatoday> i'll do it

[17:55:05] <drubin> Maaz: agreed maiatoday Will write report back on website.

[17:55:05] <Maaz> Agreed: maiatoday Will write report back on website

[17:55:07] <tumbleweed> drubin: can you take over chair, my quiz is beginning

[17:55:13] <tumbleweed> but I'll still be here

[17:55:36] <drubin> Kk

[17:55:58] <drubin> Ok the only real point about the website it keep it updated often, even if they are short posts

[17:56:13] <drubin> just so we have a nice consolidated place to look for info.

[17:56:44] <drubin> Maaz: agreed We need to keep updating the website more often.

[17:56:44] <Maaz> Agreed: We need to keep updating the website more often

[17:57:18] <drubin> Maaz: topic schedule regular meetings

[17:57:18] <Maaz> Current Topic: schedule regular meetings

[17:57:37] <inetpro> drubin: what is regular?

[17:57:42] <maiatoday> shall we try for once a month?

[17:57:48] <drubin> I agree

[17:57:53] <maiatoday> just before we have to write a report

[17:57:55] <gnmza> inetpro, ubuntu releases are regular

[17:58:01] <wezley> Once a month, and maybe twice if there's interest

[17:58:05] <maiatoday> so we have something to in the report

[17:58:06] <drubin> even if they are 20mins just a simple check in check up stuff

[17:58:28] <wezley> drubin: good good

[17:58:36] <maiatoday> we need a doodle poll for a good time?

[17:58:47] <drubin> maiatoday: just before reports isn't going to work well but we can use ubuntu hour for that because it just happens to fall on the friday before they are due

[17:58:47] <maiatoday> that sounds weird

[17:59:01] <maiatoday> ok

[17:59:06] <nuvolari> naandsê

[17:59:19] <nuvolari> am I late?

[17:59:23] <nuvolari> :P

[17:59:28] <drubin> Does some one else want to setup a doodle poll for days/times that would suite people for a meeting

[17:59:41] <tumbleweed> yes, I think we should run a poll and announce ti on the list

[17:59:44] <inetpro> drubin: just schedule it and get on with it

[17:59:45] <wezley> maia: yes sounds like a tongue twister after a few!

[17:59:58] <inetpro> once a month is good

[17:59:59] <tumbleweed> the problem with doodle is that we need to come up with a shortlist of slots beforehand, or the poll is massive

[18:00:24] <drubin> problem is it needs to be general like 3rd thursday of the month

[18:01:07] <drubin> also *really* think it needs to be regular like every 3rd thursday of the month that way people know that is the time. It also makes less admin work

[18:01:19] * inetpro agrees with drubin

[18:01:25] <wezley> Im good with that

[18:01:26] <tumbleweed> yes

[18:01:27] * gnmza agrees with drubin

[18:01:29] <maiatoday> ok then 3rd thursday of every month

[18:01:33] <maiatoday> :)

[18:01:34] <inetpro> no need to discuss further

[18:01:34] <drubin> lolz

[18:02:03] <drubin> Maaz: agreed meeting will happen on the 3rd Thursday of every month. (drubin will update the Gcal0

[18:02:03] <Maaz> Agreed: meeting will happen on the 3rd Thursday of every month. (drubin will update the Gcal0

[18:02:05] <wezley> setup recurring gcal event, with notification.

[18:02:15] <drubin> ^5 wezley

[18:02:29] <tumbleweed> pending on a poll

[18:02:48] <tumbleweed> the people who came to a meeting on a thursday can't decide that all meetings shall be on thursdays

[18:03:08] * nuvolari votes for monday/tuesday

[18:03:22] <drubin> Ok I think the doodle should just be a monday tuesday ... and a time

[18:03:39] <tumbleweed> yeah

[18:03:43] <inetpro> hmm...

[18:04:23] <wezley> If we plan them short as we said, they could be split 2/month and whoever can make it to either, fine, or both, even better

[18:04:55] <drubin> Ok who is going to take on actually orginising/planing/figuring out when we are doing these meetings

[18:05:28] <inetpro> drubin: obviously you have to run the show

[18:05:32] <inetpro> :-)

[18:05:35] <drubin> inetpro: Why?

[18:05:45] <inetpro> drubin: you the main man here, not?

[18:05:53] * drubin is trying to get others more involved

[18:05:58] * tumbleweed too

[18:06:02] <inetpro> drubin: you can always delegate

[18:06:09] <drubin> inetpro: that is what I was doing.

[18:06:10] <tumbleweed> it'd be nice to get someone newer to offer

[18:06:31] <wezley> Ill do, no prob :)

[18:06:44] <maiatoday> yay for wezley

[18:06:47] <tumbleweed> wezley: fantastic

[18:06:52] <drubin> Maaz: agreed wezley Will email the list to find a time for meeting.

[18:06:52] <Maaz> Agreed: wezley Will email the list to find a time for meeting

[18:06:55] <drubin> wezley: thanks!

[18:07:35] <inetpro> Maaz: wezley++ [ for being a volunteer ]

[18:08:30] <drubin> Maaz: topic other activity in other centers

[18:08:30] <Maaz> Current Topic: other activity in other centers

[18:08:38] <wezley> Okay expect a mail on the list, and postings/wiki update in the next day or so

[18:08:47] <drubin> sorry for jumping around a bit, but I don't think we ever came to a conclusion about how to sort this out.

[18:09:06] <drubin> wezley: ping me on irc/email if you want editor access on the website. (with your username)

[18:09:28] <wezley> drubin: will do, thanks.

[18:09:39] <drubin> inetpro: I am going to ask you to give your opinion about this because you seem to be the only one here from the less active cetners

[18:09:56] <drubin> how do we get Ubunt-za-gauntang more active?

[18:10:07] <tumbleweed> anyone here from gauteng?

[18:10:39] <inetpro> drubin: eish, that is a tough nut

[18:10:52] * inetpro has very little time to gather the sheep

[18:11:21] <drubin> I honestly don't know how/what todo

[18:11:54] <drubin> it feels like we should do something but with out forcing people to be more active or take things on there seems very little we can do from out side the cites

[18:12:34] <inetpro> drubin: if I had more time I would be more active, but I guess others may be even more busy

[18:13:29] <drubin> ;/

[18:13:37] <inetpro> drubin: let's see how we can tackle it as time goes

[18:13:45] <drubin> kk

[18:14:01] <dwidge> is there a list of centers in sa?

[18:14:24] <drubin> dwidge: A center is as big or as small as you want it to be

[18:14:47] <tumbleweed> dwidge: about the best I can do is this: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za/+map

[18:15:32] <drubin> jhb seems to have the most people

[18:15:53] <inetpro> drubin: I guess to many social networks are making it even more difficult for everyone

[18:16:00] <drubin> tumbleweed: did you bring up What can we do to drive up community / development involvement by Ubuntu-ZA members

[18:16:33] <tumbleweed> drubin: to some degree, we've been bringing it up all meeting

[18:16:36] <tumbleweed> but let's actually dicuss it

[18:17:37] <drubin> Maaz: topic What can we do to drive up community / development involvement by Ubuntu-ZA members

[18:17:37] <Maaz> Current Topic: What can we do to drive up community / development involvement by Ubuntu-ZA members

[18:17:52] <drubin> tumbleweed: take the floor.

[18:18:09] <tumbleweed> I'm a (relative) beginner to ubuntu and I kind of jumped in the deep end

[18:18:30] <tumbleweed> but I'd like to see south africa better represented

[18:18:44] <tumbleweed> it's quite sad how few of us are involved to any degree

[18:18:59] * superfly is back

[18:19:02] * inetpro agrees with tumbleweed

[18:19:26] <tumbleweed> it's not hard to get involved, we just need to encorage people :)

[18:19:30] <gnmza> I think if people had a better idea of how to get involved, more would maybe.

[18:20:18] <tumbleweed> gnmza: the best thing to do is to get involved with something that you can get into quickly

[18:20:21] <drubin> tumbleweed: Maybe as part of your talk we can explain very simply relavent to ZA how easy it is to get involved

[18:20:27] <superfly> and I think if they had an idea of what needs to be done, they'd also get more involved

[18:20:27] <tumbleweed> http://www.ubuntu.com/community <- good starting point

[18:20:38] <tumbleweed> drubin: I certainly intend to push clug people, yse

[18:20:55] <wezley> Yes. Everyone try get one friend or family person to join the next LUG / IRC meet / etc

[18:21:00] <drubin> clug people are old clever and know things, we need to get the other people more involved IMHO

[18:21:13] <tumbleweed> drubin: yes

[18:21:16] <superfly> wezley: that's why mrs_fly is here ;-)

[18:21:19] <inetpro> wezley: good idea

[18:21:40] <drubin> wezley: great idea.

[18:21:43] <wezley> superfly: ah I see! hello mrs_fly :)

[18:21:56] <tumbleweed> wezley: yes sounds good

[18:21:57] <drubin> so maybe we all can bring one extra person to the next meet, some one that doesn't know ubuntu at all

[18:22:00] <superfly> (she's upstairs with zak_attack at the moment)

[18:22:34] <inetpro> just don't forget about what happens in between meetings, the challenge lies in getting people to come back here often

[18:23:03] <tumbleweed> which also means that these meetings need to be interesting to newbies

[18:23:28] <maiatoday> release parties are probably more fun than jams for new people

[18:23:29] <inetpro> we want newbies asking interesting questions in here on a daily basis

[18:23:34] <wezley> so for those newbies we bring, focus on alternative apps they can use

[18:23:37] <tumbleweed> maiatoday: yes

[18:23:48] <drubin> maiatoday: I don't know about that, the last jam we had more newbies then the release party

[18:23:55] <drubin> but that might have been because it was in Stellenbosch

[18:24:09] <tumbleweed> that was kind of unintentional (the jam having so many newbies)

[18:24:11] <drubin> we had people at the jam that didn't know how to open up the terminal ;-p it was amazing to see

[18:24:11] * wezley lives in the wrong city ;)

[18:24:25] <drubin> tumbleweed: Might have been but it was great

[18:24:37] <tumbleweed> yeah, I have no probelm with it:)

[18:24:58] <maiatoday> wezley lives in the right city to be the pioneer ubuntu advocate

[18:25:14] <tumbleweed> in fact, if you want to do lots of helpign newbies out with technical issues, you need a reasonable balance between newbies and techies

[18:25:22] <superfly> oh, also, software freedom day, is CLUG doing anything? do we want to hook into/run that?

[18:25:34] <drubin> wezley: maiatoday kinda revieved the Stellenbosch ubuntu community

[18:25:35] <tumbleweed> superfly: at least in cape town we can join up

[18:25:39] <drubin> s/kinda/DID/

[18:25:44] <tumbleweed> it'd be nice to do things elsewhere in the country too

[18:26:12] <drubin> Ubuntu road trip

[18:26:16] <tumbleweed> hah

[18:26:28] <wezley> maiatoday: :D

[18:26:57] <tumbleweed> yeah, it's quite impressive how people turn up when one organises things

[18:27:38] <drubin> Ok so the goal is to at least start planning an event in each city/center by next meeting?

[18:27:48] <tumbleweed> I like that goal

[18:27:53] <drubin> where event is inperson-physical meet up.

[18:28:36] <superfly> yup, i like that too

[18:28:47] <drubin> any one have objects?

[18:28:51] <drubin> objections*

[18:28:57] <tumbleweed> superfly: now that you are back, do we need to revisit the website item in the agenda?

[18:29:13] <wezley> none here

[18:29:26] <gnmza> nope

[18:29:34] <superfly> tumbleweed: well, does anyone have any suggestions?

[18:29:49] <drubin> It is coming on 1.5hours we need to start wrapping up else people are going to loose interest.

[18:30:02] <superfly> or queries, or comments

[18:30:08] <drubin> superfly: my only point was we need to use it more often

[18:30:16] <drubin> and keep writing up small things about things we do.

[18:30:46] <wezley> who can post to the site? is registration for comments only?

[18:30:50] <drubin> Maaz: agreed we will at least start planning events(meet ups/ubuntu hours) in each city/center by next meeting

[18:30:50] <Maaz> Agreed: we will at least start planning events(meet ups/ubuntu hours) in each city/center by next meeting

[18:30:58] <superfly> drubin: do we want an event calendar?

[18:31:05] <drubin> superfly: we already have one.

[18:31:14] <maiatoday> sorry to jump back but there is an open invite to join #ubuntu-loco teams for the health check meeting, may get some advice on the other cities issue there

[18:31:16] <wezley> we can embed the gcal if we need

[18:31:16] <drubin> superfly: Good idea we should embed it on the site?

[18:31:31] <drubin> maiatoday: is that today?

[18:31:34] <maiatoday> http://www.lczajkowski.com/category/ubuntu-loco-council/

[18:31:43] <superfly> drubin: either way, we need one on the site

[18:31:45] <maiatoday> no it isn't, hang on I'll get the date

[18:32:10] <magespawn> it needs to be used more active and further in advance

[18:32:12] <drubin> superfly: gcal seems to work for most people it also supports Ical and reminders

[18:32:44] <maiatoday> first tuesday of the month and the channel is #ubuntu-locoteams

[18:33:29] <superfly> drubin: but at the same time, it's not visible on the site, and i think it should be

[18:33:30] <drubin> Maaz: agreed we will embed gcal on website http://pastebin.com/a3spjkDT

[18:33:30] <Maaz> Agreed: we will embed gcal on website http://pastebin.com/a3spjkDT

[18:33:54] <drubin> superfly: I agree fully! hence went to get the cods.

[18:34:10] <drubin> codes*

[18:34:21] <superfly> drubin: my only problem with that is that we don't get a nice Drupal block with the latest event in it

[18:34:26] <inetpro> Maaz: minutes so far

[18:34:26] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2010-07-08-17-10-46.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2010-07-08-17-10-46.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2010-07-08-17-10-46.html

[18:34:36] <tumbleweed> cocooncrash!

[18:34:44] <superfly> the Drupal calendar has ical, but not reminders

[18:34:49] <tumbleweed> (those minutes aren't accesible)

[18:34:55] * inetpro gets 403 - Forbidden

[18:35:07] <tumbleweed> inetpro: it'll be fixed when cocooncrash turns up

[18:35:15] <drubin> superfly: MM is there no plugin that syncs them or something?

[18:35:18] <inetpro> tumbleweed: ok

[18:35:30] <superfly> dunno

[18:35:31] <wezley> superfly: in the calendar setting you can customize the look, perhaps that could satisfy?

[18:35:46] <drubin> superfly: gcal seems much easier to use from a users point of view. (and mine)

[18:36:14] <drubin> ie adding events is as easy as clicking on my email and adding.

[18:36:25] <superfly> drubin: my only problem with gcal is the lack of integration with the site

[18:36:40] <drubin> http://drupal.org/project/event_GCalendar

[18:37:17] <drubin> Maybe we can try that?

[18:37:54] <superfly> drubin: they don't have any releases yet, and are only just at version 0.1 it seems

[18:38:02] <SubOracle> otherwise using feedapi might be another option. There is a how-to http://drupal.org/node/341716

[18:38:08] <wezley> they're still on 0.1, but wow that looks promising!

[18:38:41] <superfly> hey SubOracle!

[18:38:47] <drubin> it says 1.0

[18:38:50] <SubOracle> Hey superfly

[18:38:59] <inetpro> SubOracle: hiho

[18:39:04] <drubin> opps never mind

[18:39:11] <inetpro> morgs: wb

[18:39:17] <drubin> what about using the built in calendar and using ical import/export

[18:39:39] <maiatoday> we might not finish the agenda

[18:39:47] <morgs> inetpro, everybody, hi

[18:40:06] <highvoltage> hi morgs

[18:40:12] <drubin> superfly: Would you mind looking into it and suggesting a solution? Since you are the drupal expert?

[18:40:30] <superfly> SubOracle is more an expert than I am, but I'll look into it

[18:40:41] <SubOracle> I'll help

[18:40:43] <drubin> You can both look into it?

[18:40:46] <inetpro> I would recommend you only update the calendar from within google calendar and then read and post to whatever site

[18:41:09] <drubin> Maaz: agreed SubOracle and superfly will look into a calendar solution possibly Drupal + Gcal

[18:41:09] <Maaz> Agreed: SubOracle and superfly will look into a calendar solution possibly Drupal + Gcal

[18:41:28] <drubin> Ok last point I think superfly added

[18:41:45] <wezley> even a ical feed parser to pull and display upcoming events

[18:42:55] <drubin> Maaz: topic Online Activities and IRC discussions

[18:42:55] <Maaz> Current Topic: Online Activities and IRC discussions

[18:43:20] <cocooncrash> tumbleweed: Sorry, fixed

[18:43:24] <drubin> Ok I really like this idea but how does it differ for #ubuntu-classroom and other chats.

[18:43:29] <superfly> well, I didn't add the point, but I had some suggestions

[18:43:31] <tumbleweed> cocooncrash: thanks

[18:44:07] <superfly> drubin: it's local, and it's people who are always in #ubuntu-za, so when you're actually doing this, you know you can come back and ask for help

[18:44:12] <inetpro> Maaz: cocooncrash++ [ for allowing us to read the minutes ]

[18:44:34] <tumbleweed> however, people wanting help with ubuntu dev questions can alyways ask here for help

[18:45:07] <drubin> tumbleweed: but they don't know that

[18:45:12] <wezley> tumbleweed: that's good to know!

[18:45:54] <tumbleweed> wezley: ping me any time

[18:46:09] <superfly> drubin: #ubuntu-classroom is kinda like an international conference

[18:46:37] <superfly> you go, you learn, you ask a few questions, and then the speaker goes back to his country and you don't know how to contact him ;-)

[18:46:43] <superfly> less community going on there

[18:46:46] <tumbleweed> hah

[18:46:54] <tumbleweed> although they wil talk with their usual IRC nick

[18:47:00] <magespawn> gets a bit overwhelming too

[18:47:03] <tumbleweed> and you can probably normally find them on freenode

[18:47:13] <tumbleweed> magespawn: yes, esp if you miss the beginning talks on ubuntu development

[18:47:25] <tumbleweed> the later talks will always depend on the basics

[18:47:37] <highvoltage> most ubuntu people also set their correct real name on irc so they should be super-easy to find on launchpad/web-searches/etc

[18:47:50] <drubin> I do like this idea.

[18:48:00] <tumbleweed> drubin: thing is, we need enough people to be interested

[18:48:02] <drubin> So I think we should "Just do it" and see how it works out

[18:48:13] <tumbleweed> yeah, I guess we can try one, see how it goes

[18:48:29] <drubin> So the big question is who wants todo the first one and on what topic? :)

[18:48:48] <drubin> I think the webserver thing might be a good place to start. ;-p

[18:48:55] <superfly> we should also classify the talk(s) so that folks who want a sysadmin talk know which one to attend, and folks that want a beginner talk know which one to attend

[18:49:11] <magespawn> database server

[18:49:21] <gnmza> db can be part of web

[18:49:25] <drubin> or even homenetworking session, setting up samba, + dns + dhcp (more advanced)

[18:49:34] <maiatoday> yes I need dns

[18:49:41] <wezley> setting up a web proxy :)

[18:49:46] <drubin> tumbleweed: Care to walk us through it?

[18:49:55] <gnmza> "Setting up Apache, PHP and MySQL: Fun for the whola family"

[18:49:57] <tumbleweed> heh I can give talks on any of those

[18:49:59] * drubin notes your blog is very feature complete

[18:50:05] <drubin> and I use it for my setuup

[18:50:08] <magespawn> maybe a general network with several specialist follow ups

[18:50:17] <tumbleweed> problem is it's a while since I got started with such things, so I'm kind of disconnected from beginners needs

[18:50:45] <superfly> I think that we should take it down a notch and look at what a beginner to ubuntu might want to know

[18:50:48] <maiatoday> maybe also how to setup a apt-cacher-ng drubin?

[18:50:58] <magespawn> use a general talk to find out peoples needs and interests

[18:51:00] <drubin> maiatoday: I can deff talk though that.

[18:51:10] <drubin> problem is getting people on IRC to ask them their needs.

[18:51:16] <superfly> maiatoday: what's there to set up? "sudo aptitude install apt-cacher-ng"

[18:51:19] <drubin> people seem active on the ML but no where else

[18:51:23] <maiatoday> or maybe a general bandwidth issues one

[18:51:31] <drubin> superfly: I have some nice scripts to make it more laptop friendly

[18:51:35] <wezley> good beginner tut: install a VM machine, which we can use for future tuts

[18:51:56] <maiatoday> everything from bandwidth monitoring to caching

[18:52:13] * wezley agrees with maiatoday

[18:52:38] <superfly> what about, "the differences between Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Xubuntu" ?

[18:52:38] <inetpro> when are we planning to have these interesting talks?

[18:52:40] <maiatoday> especially since we only seem to be able to surf on 3g nowadays

[18:52:53] <drubin> superfly: Great idea for the newbies but will they login to IRC

[18:52:59] <maiatoday> where are we planning to have these interesting talks?

[18:53:09] <maiatoday> oh IRC

[18:53:20] <drubin> maiatoday: we can have them at the coffee shop if you want.

[18:53:26] <maiatoday> ok

[18:53:29] <superfly> drubin: http://ubuntu-za.org/irc-live-chat

[18:53:45] <magespawn> maybe use the ubuntu hour events to gather people who are interested?

[18:53:46] <wezley> Ubuntu Tech Talks :)

[18:53:50] <drubin> superfly: People don't seem to want to login.

[18:54:18] <drubin> maiatoday: I have a nice idea. lets ask if we can put up posters in one of the coffee shops advertising our Ubuntu hors

[18:54:22] <drubin> hours.

[18:54:39] <drubin> and then in turn they get more people comming for coffee and we get new people comming for Ubuntu/Computer support

[18:54:47] <magespawn> run the talks in conjunction with the ubuntu hour events? then they can have a experienced person help the newbies

[18:54:57] <maiatoday> okay

[18:55:21] <maiatoday> then maybe the time is a problem again for people

[18:55:34] <maiatoday> maybe it will have to move to a saturday?

[18:55:42] <drubin> Ye it is very very odd timing for most people

[18:55:45] <drubin> Or even after work.

[18:55:52] <drubin> at like 5:30 or 6pm

[18:56:17] <drubin> either way we can talk about this after the meeting,since it has been going on for close to 2 hours ;)

[18:56:18] <inetpro> Saturdays would not be a good idea IMHO

[18:56:19] <magespawn> also maybe other public events sports MTG etc?

[18:57:25] <superfly> perhaps what we should do is organise a big event, and have it IRL and online

[18:57:56] <inetpro> superfly: IRL?

[18:57:59] <superfly> use that as a marketing opportunity to get people to come into IRC for more of these talks

[18:58:06] <superfly> inetpro: In Real Life

[18:58:11] <inetpro> sh

[18:58:14] <maiatoday> superfly we can do it at the GLobal Jam

[18:58:21] <inetpro> s/sh/ah/

[18:58:23] <tumbleweed> superfly: we can try streaming something IRL on the web

[18:58:26] <superfly> maiatoday: yeah, that sounds like a good idea

[18:59:02] <wezley> I envision projecting the channel at the party on a wall ;)

[18:59:04] <magespawn> if we can piggy back of other events then we do not need to organise too much and we can draw "outsiders".

[18:59:17] <magespawn> that would be a good sign post

[18:59:44] <drubin> magespawn: I think it would be nicer t keep it ZA related so people can see oo that is my city I know that place

[19:00:00] <drubin> if it is global people go well that is in Germany I can't take part

[19:00:40] <magespawn> i am talking about IRL events like bike rallies, sports like body building or drag races anything SA really

[19:01:01] <drubin> lolz Body Building events promoting Ubuntu.

[19:01:27] <magespawn> also lan events and MTG and comic cons etc.

[19:01:34] <magespawn> why not?

[19:01:46] <drubin> Maybe we need to do something with OC

[19:01:57] <drubin> http://www.oc.co.za/

[19:02:15] <magespawn> any where there is a few people. also try things at your old high schools.

[19:02:51] <maiatoday> drubin: perhaps we should wrap up the meeting and we can still have more discussion after if people want to?

[19:02:52] <drubin> Does any one mind if I end the meeting? Since we are kinda getting side tracked and it would be nice to keep the logs clean?

[19:02:59] <maiatoday> snap

[19:03:02] <drubin> Maaz: end meeting

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