Minutes from Meeting about Monthly IRC Meeting Convened at 2012-11-19 17:32:43.416412 by nuvolari in #ubuntu-za on freenode Minutes ======= [17:32:43] STARTED (nuvolari) [17:33:04] TOPIC: Welcoming and Introduction (nuvolari) [17:37:27] TOPIC: Review Previous Minutes (nuvolari) [17:42:59] TOPIC: Administrativia and Announcements (nuvolari) [17:52:30] TOPIC: 12.10 Feedback (nuvolari) [18:15:19] TOPIC: Events (nuvolari) [18:22:33] TOPIC: Elect chairperson for next meeting (nuvolari) [18:25:19] AGREED: next meeting chair nuvolari (nuvolari) [18:25:28] AGREED: next meeting standby chair kbmonkey (nuvolari) [18:25:38] TOPIC: Closing (nuvolari) [18:27:14] ENDED (nuvolari) Present ======= * Johan Mynhardt (nuvolari) * Oupa (deegee_1) * Frans de Waal (meesterarend) * jp meijers (Kerbero) * dewald (queery) * Marius Kruger (amanica) * Wesley Werner (kbmonkey) * Miles Sharpe (Kilos) * Raoul Snyman (superfly) * TaraLS * Greg Eames (magedroid) * gareth cawood (Banlam) * kbmonkey_ * Magda Smith (magtie) * here (bmg505) Raw Log ======= [17:32:43] Maaz: Start meeting about Monthly IRC Meeting [17:32:43] * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles [17:32:50] [17:32:57] Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman [17:32:57] superfly: Yessir [17:32:58] [17:33:03] wb magedroid [17:33:04] Maaz: topic Welcoming and Introduction [17:33:04] Current Topic: Welcoming and Introduction [17:33:08] lo amanica [17:33:13] Maaz: I am Johan Mynhardt [17:33:13] nuvolari: Okay [17:33:15] Maaz I am Greg Eames [17:33:15] magedroid: Righto [17:33:15] hi [17:33:22] Evening all [17:33:25] Maaz I am Wesley Werner [17:33:25] kbmonkey: Yessir [17:33:28] i am dewald [17:33:29] Maaz, i am Miles Sharpe [17:33:29] Kilos: Righto [17:33:29] Maaz: i am Frans de Waal [17:33:29] meesterarend: Sure [17:33:34] maaz: i am dewald [17:33:34] queery: Righto [17:33:35] hey amanica [17:33:37] Maaz: I am Marius Kruger [17:33:37] amanica: Yessir [17:33:48] Maaz: I ar baboon [17:33:48] nuvolari: Huh? [17:33:51] :P [17:33:55] hi all :) [17:33:57] Maaz, welcome [17:33:57] Welcome to tonights meeting everyone [17:34:00] righty, welcome everyone [17:34:05] welcome amanica [17:34:09] hello :) [17:34:19] haaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiii [17:34:32] hey queery [17:34:36] * nuvolari buys queery a dictionary [17:34:38] :P [17:34:42] haha [17:34:47] lol [17:34:50] or some keyboard cleaner [17:35:10] everyone introduced? [17:35:20] well, at least everyone that is present [17:35:25] Kerbero, where you [17:35:34] and Banlam [17:35:37] the link to the agenda is in the channel topic [17:35:41] nlsthzn is excused from the meeting [17:35:42] en bakuman [17:35:44] free for all? ;) [17:35:45] he mailed [17:35:54] maaz, i am gareth cawood [17:35:54] Banlam: Okay [17:35:57] --> . <--- here [17:35:58] Maaz: I am Magda Smith [17:35:58] magtie: Done [17:36:02] no maia, no drubin, no tumbleweed [17:36:14] oh! we have a lady :> [17:36:18] welcome magtie [17:36:18] and no inetpro [17:36:30] where's bytjie? [17:36:30] he also said he cant make it [17:36:37] One of those things [17:36:40] life nuvolari [17:36:55] Maaz: i think therefore i am jp meijers [17:36:55] Kerbero: Huh? [17:37:02] Maaz: i am jp meijers [17:37:02] Kerbero: Sure [17:37:03] lol [17:37:06] alrighty [17:37:07] lol [17:37:09] lol [17:37:09] JP! [17:37:12] even a bot quesions your existence [17:37:15] dewald! [17:37:27] Maaz: topic Review Previous Minutes [17:37:27] Current Topic: Review Previous Minutes [17:37:38] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/10/15/%23ubuntu-za.html#t17:30 [17:37:44] for anyone interested ^^ [17:38:03] we had a busy meeting last time [17:38:12] after the draught of the one before that :P [17:38:28] [17:38:30] drought [17:38:36] hey deegee_1 [17:38:37] that too :P [17:38:37] draft of draught? ;) [17:38:40] thanks oom Kilos [17:38:43] where drussel be [17:38:45] droogte [17:39:02] welcome deegee_1 [17:39:06] daai ding ja [17:39:09] o/ all [17:39:19] hmm, I bet everyone not here is busy with Ingress :P [17:39:27] I have to go...mosqito emergency...apparently [17:39:28] deegee_1, sing in with maaz please [17:39:36] sign too :P [17:39:37] we need you registered [17:39:43] I want an invetation!!! [17:39:50] me too :-/ [17:39:54] i want a beta invite too [17:40:11] Maaz: I am Oupa [17:40:11] deegee_1: Sure [17:40:26] before we move to the first item, can I get a cheer for FOSS?! [17:40:31] Maaz: coffee on [17:40:31] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [17:40:47] Maaz, sing [17:40:47] queery: What? [17:40:47] * nuvolari cheers for FOSS [17:40:49] yay foss [17:40:59] * kbmonkey Cheers! [17:41:01] * magedroid cheers for foss [17:41:11] * deegee_1 haihai for FOSS [17:41:12] YEAH [17:41:12] Or FOSS [17:41:35] [17:41:42] is there a diffs tween foss and FOSS [17:41:42] wb queery [17:41:44] I really dislike telkom [17:41:59] Maaz: coffee please [17:41:59] nuvolari: Now now, we don't want anyone getting caffeine overdoses [17:42:04] :O [17:42:08] Maaz: I do! [17:42:08] nuvolari: Sorry... [17:42:15] Maaz, coffee please [17:42:15] Kilos: Done [17:42:15] yes, you be sorry [17:42:36] Maaz, coffee please [17:42:36] queery: Righto [17:42:43] next topic? [17:42:52] yip [17:42:59] Maaz: topic Administrativia and Announcements [17:42:59] Current Topic: Administrativia and Announcements [17:43:24] I don't have any announcements :P [17:43:41] queery added ubuntu cd updates for us [17:43:54] yea [17:44:14] thanks queery : [17:44:21] I was in stb 2 weeks ago and picked up the jhb CD's [17:44:27] I didn't get around to applying for CD's from bytjie [17:44:31] [17:44:31] Coffee's ready for nuvolari, Kilos and queery! [17:44:36] am I in time? [17:44:37] thank you Maaz [17:44:42] Maaz, ty [17:44:42] You are welcome Kilos [17:44:42] so will get it to the designated peopl as soon as I get back from bloem [17:44:47] bmg505: yup, welcome [17:44:47] [17:44:51] lo all [17:44:52] Maaz, ty [17:44:52] You are welcome queery [17:44:57] bmg505: ID to Maaz [17:45:00] Maaz, bot snack [17:45:00] thanks, queery [17:45:07] lo bmg505, welcome [17:45:12] are there still some cd's left in/around stellenbosch? [17:45:15] hi TaraLS bmg505 sign in with maaz please [17:45:22] bmg505: "Maaz: I am ...." [17:45:23] Yo Kilos. [17:45:26] maia should have some yes [17:45:29] welcome TaraLS [17:45:29] ok [17:45:34] hi TaraLS [17:45:36] Maaz, I am here [17:45:36] bmg505: Done [17:45:37] kbmonkey, Thanks. :) [17:45:39] nuvolari, Hiya. [17:45:40] TaraLS: joining us for the meeting? [17:45:45] lol bmg505 [17:45:50] who wants official CDs? [17:45:51] Oops, I forgot that was a meeting [17:45:55] Maaz, coffee pretty please [17:45:55] bmg505: Go get it yourself! [17:45:59] oi [17:46:00] i still have a few 12.04 LTS (and server) cd's if anyone really desperately wants to complete their collection [17:46:01] lol [17:46:03] contact me [17:46:06] TaraLS, you welcome to stay [17:46:17] I also now have LTS and 12.10 [17:46:19] Well, I just came on to ask a question, actually. [17:46:20] onl 45 mins left [17:46:42] after meet ok? [17:46:46] Okay. [17:46:54] never run dselect remotely after you did a dpkg --set-selections :( [17:47:00] If I'm still up, I'll be back in about forty-five mins. :P [17:47:08] k [17:47:15] cool [17:47:36] I might have missed more CD activity [17:47:38] so if anyone want's CD's please send a mail to the list [17:47:49] life is passing me really quick these days [17:47:51] :-/ [17:48:19] I wish, my holiday is taking so long o come [17:48:54] is the meeting over already? [17:48:55] Do we have anything to administrate? [17:49:02] noo superfly [17:49:10] hey, who says geeks cannot multi-task? [17:49:11] you are welcome to join still :P [17:49:19] oh, cause people are talking about holidays and stuff [17:49:23] get your butt in here [17:49:46] a big shout out to all those who were involved in getting andndistrubuting the official cds [17:49:48] superfly: it falls under administrativia and announcements :P we announce where we go [17:50:04] mostly Maia [17:50:11] hehe [17:50:26] yeah, maia is a big helping hand in that [17:50:35] Does anyone in bloem need CD's? [17:50:36] We love you Maia! [17:50:39] :P [17:50:48] queery: I'm going to bloem in Dec. [17:50:51] is multiple sound cards still a problem in 12.10? [17:51:00] im going to bloem on wednesday [17:51:09] bmg505: 12.10 discussion in next topic [17:51:17] o_O [17:51:20] oki doki [17:51:28] meesterarend: ^^ do you need CD's? [17:51:33] bmg505: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/496/detail/ [17:51:34] I have 12.10 ISO's and am happy to share those too. No official CD's though. [17:51:47] ah okay [17:52:14] shall we move on [17:52:15] * nuvolari wonders where meesterarend went [17:52:18] yeah [17:52:22] I know bmg505 wants us to [17:52:28] hehe [17:52:30] Maaz: topic 12.10 Feedback [17:52:30] Current Topic: 12.10 Feedback [17:52:35] ag seker nie ver nie [17:52:41] bmg505: ready, steady, go! [17:52:44] :P [17:53:10] maaz seen bmg505 [17:53:10] queery: bmg505 was last seen 1 minute and 50 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2012-11-19 09:51:20 PST], and has been online on freenode since 2012-11-18 19:25:31 PST [17:53:17] Kilos, you don't know anyone with carrier pidgeons we can send around with a usb stick of ISO's? ;) [17:53:28] I decided to stay on 12.04, so I'm sitting out for now [17:53:51] 12.10 nm works and can enable mobile broadband but i havent actually got it to connect to 8ta yet even though it tries [17:53:55] ok so 12.10 has some security problems [17:54:08] lol @ kbmonkey [17:54:23] oom Kilos do you have a vodacom setup too? [17:54:34] you can use the same profile for the networks [17:54:37] nope [17:54:43] oh [17:54:45] meh [17:54:54] have a sim though will get some airtime to check [17:55:05] Ill set up a dual boot, I will try my 8ta and let you know Kilos [17:55:07] I set up 8ta, mtn and vodacom but realized the other day I only need one :P [17:55:19] 12.04 I had to hack the config files to make bundle queries work for vodacom contract users [17:55:23] it shows 8ta in the setup so will need some investigation [17:55:37] lol [17:55:45] even with your own private server [17:55:49] oops [17:55:50] wrong channel [17:56:05] hehe [17:56:09] Banlam: we need your undivided attention... :P [17:56:15] yeah, think it's back [17:56:15] bmg505 it will be neat if you can submit your hacks to the ubuntu wiki :) [17:56:16] I'm pretty happy with 12.10, Just had some probjems with Thunderbird freezing on IO, but got that sorted now.. [17:56:23] :) [17:56:41] I am 49 years old and cannot fathom this wiki shyte [17:56:42] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/10/privacy-ubuntu-1210-amazon-ads-and-data-leaks [17:56:55] ballie [17:57:11] oom Kilos !!! [17:57:14] I can still shoot straight [17:57:22] lol [17:57:23] First thing i did was remove the amazon lense [17:57:24] hehe [17:57:37] that's what he said last night [17:57:44] lol bmg505! fair enough. [17:57:47] yeah and all the office stuff [17:58:09] office stuff? [17:58:11] lol queery, nie hier nie [17:58:13] :P [17:58:17] libreoffice [17:58:27] woks fine... [17:58:40] it fills the launcher [17:58:52] libreoffice is great to use these days [17:59:09] it launches automatically to work so dont need to see it all the time [17:59:37] you can always detatch it [17:59:52] important things go in the launcher like xchat pidgin and evolution [18:00:07] no not evolution [18:00:11] ya i just removed from launcher [18:00:13] never again.... [18:00:30] gmail FTW? :D [18:00:39] my evo is much better than thunderbird on pop [18:00:39] *googledocs [18:00:42] *drive [18:00:56] yea import all your pop or imap emails... [18:01:20] and evo makes lekker backups that i couldnt find in thunderbird [18:01:32] this launcher thing is quite irritating, but it works quite well in the end [18:01:50] one does get used to it [18:01:53] yes just an extra click needed [18:02:13] * nuvolari <3 xfce [18:03:14] . [18:03:17] next topic? [18:03:20] did I scare everyone away? [18:03:21] Indeed nuvolari [18:03:22] anymore 12.10 feedback [18:03:43] bmg505, ? [18:03:46] ok, moving on [18:03:46] ooo does multiple sound card work easily under 12.10? [18:03:51] haha [18:03:58] when thunderberd became unusable, I tried evilution, but it swallowed all my outgoing mail [18:04:01] havent tried it [18:04:05] took me a week to be sure :( [18:04:07] [18:04:10] ok, holding on for bmg505 [18:04:12] :P [18:04:16] the bastard that thought up alsa should be shot [18:04:16] i've been using multiple sound cards since 8.10 [18:04:16] wb kbmonkey [18:04:19] works fine [18:04:19] wb kbmonkey [18:04:29] although i'm still running 12.04 now [18:04:29] thanks :) [18:04:40] switched to 2g. [18:04:41] bmg505: but ubuntu uses pulse [18:04:43] rather pulseaudio [18:04:44] 12.04 does not allow for nice switching between them, and jack does not really work [18:04:53] uhm [18:04:55] pulseaudio drives me nuts! [18:05:04] i switch fine between them on 12.04 [18:05:15] the pulse audio writer should be stoned and not shot [18:05:20] If sound is your thing you may want to try out ubuntu studio with Jack all sorted etc. [18:05:21] why 2 sound cards bmg505 ? [18:05:40] I use one for the normal sound and one for my ham radio digital stuff [18:05:42] [18:05:48] ah [18:05:57] wb kbmonkey [18:05:58] under 10.04 jack worked and it was fine from 10.10 it was broken [18:06:27] ah [18:06:34] wow mine works on 10.10 [18:06:43] you missed something [18:06:53] 12 maybe? [18:06:54] soz 11.04 10.10 still worked [18:06:59] 11.04 the probs started [18:07:01] 12.04 is a stuff up [18:07:08] sjoe [18:07:24] pc related probs maybe [18:07:38] sound layer cake is a strange beast in linux [18:07:45] yea right, I put had drive with loosedoze and it weks [18:07:56] *hard [18:08:12] its the same pc where every thing worked under 10.10 [18:08:46] Let me maar look, it jsut annoying when something that worked perfectly is broken on the next update [18:08:48] must be something you need to install or add bmg505 [18:08:56] yeah [18:09:17] and if I add the usb sound pod, everything goes south after that [18:09:19] if they are both pci's, perhaps a conflicting irq from driver regressions? [18:09:59] the problem is simple, the applications either wants alsa, or pulse or jack [18:10:24] wit halsa it never works and they do not play well together (applications and mixing) [18:10:26] iirc jack is a layer on top of oss, alsa, [18:10:51] sorry nuvolari, we digress :p [18:11:00] under pulse everytime you make a change it regresses straight ot the operating system and proceeds to stuff that up [18:11:12] no problem, we are still on 12.10 feedback [18:11:19] and jack jsut does not work under 12.04 [18:11:29] let me try this 12.10 [18:11:34] will report back [18:11:34] and I agree on this audio stuff, it's somewhat of a mess [18:11:41] oh :/ [18:11:53] Maaz, sing [18:11:53] queery: sing is lala lala laaaaa laaaaa [18:11:56] its more like a nuclear spill [18:12:01] lol Maaz [18:12:18] ok, we need positive feedback too... [18:12:32] otherwise we need to progress quick [18:12:39] Well i have not had any problems [18:12:42] 12.10 is pretty to start the install [18:12:47] ooo another thing why does nfs not install by default? [18:13:09] I'll get some progress after I setup the dualboot. [18:13:24] bmg505, they remove some default stuff to save space [18:13:39] like aptitude and gdebi [18:13:53] nfs is a show stopper for guys not using loosedoze at all [18:15:01] hmm, maybe we need to move on [18:15:03] must I upgrade my 12.04 or do a clean install [18:15:04] isn't nfs still owned by sun? or oracle, now? [18:15:06] just to finish on time [18:15:11] yip [18:15:12] go [18:15:13] yes, lets [18:15:19] Maaz: topic Events [18:15:19] Current Topic: Events [18:15:20] we can debate after ;) [18:15:32] np [18:15:39] afaik there is a DLUG meeting coming up [18:15:44] or at least being discussed [18:15:51] I'm not sure that I'll be around for it :-/ [18:16:17] I should be, I think its for a weekend in Dec [18:16:17] but before running before the cart, were there any past events? [18:16:25] did we talk about how the release parties went? [18:16:30] I was quite happy with the centurion release party, would just have liked more people to attend. [18:16:43] amen [18:17:05] The durban one was fun! [18:17:35] the SFD get together! [18:17:50] we were graced by a few Tux's [18:18:08] I copied the wrong repo's from William [18:18:10] * nuvolari facepalms [18:18:20] ai [18:19:13] er [18:19:14] 10 mins [18:19:16] nothing else? [18:19:36] haha [18:19:55] was there any other parties? [18:20:10] I will grab the 12.10 repos from him during the December meet [18:20:10] then we can always have another meet early Jan again [18:20:10] I'm empty [18:20:21] Kerbero, did you get one organised? [18:21:06] ok [18:21:09] * kbmonkey pings [18:21:19] the cape twon ones were very imaginary [18:21:19] * nuvolari pongs kbmonkey [18:21:49] 35 seconds :O [18:21:58] joh [18:22:11] oi [18:22:13] ok, I think everyone fell asleep [18:22:23] prob [18:22:33] Maaz: topic Elect chairperson for next meeting [18:22:33] Current Topic: Elect chairperson for next meeting [18:22:47] * Kilos votes nuvolari [18:22:53] If you guys are happy with my chairing, I'm available :P [18:22:59] nuvolari you may be away right? I can chair next one if you like [18:23:02] +1 [18:23:16] +2 [18:23:18] well, I will stil have internet in bloem :P [18:23:23] not disappearing off the net [18:23:25] great :> [18:23:31]