Minutes from Meeting about Monthly IRC Meeting Convened at 2012-12-17 17:30:59.226878 by nuvolari in #ubuntu-za on freenode Minutes ======= [17:30:59] STARTED (nuvolari) [17:34:26] TOPIC: Welcoming and Introduction (nuvolari) [17:35:19] TOPIC: Review Previous Minutes (nuvolari) [17:46:11] TOPIC: Administrativia and Announcements (nuvolari) [17:55:09] AGREED: nuvolari to find out about mailing list stats from drubin_ (nuvolari) [18:18:52] AGREED: Discuss future of the website by involving more help and re-thinking the purpose of the website (nuvolari) [18:19:15] TOPIC: Ubuntu+1 status and feedback (nuvolari) [18:29:58] TOPIC: Events (nuvolari) [18:39:29] TOPIC: Elect chairperson for next meeting (nuvolari) [18:41:01] AGREED: chairperson for next meeting: nuvolari (nuvolari) [18:41:16] TOPIC: Closing (nuvolari) [18:43:36] ENDED (nuvolari) Present ======= * Johan Mynhardt (nuvolari) * Gustav H Meyer (inetpro) * Wikus van Dyk (mazal) * Stefano Rivera (tumbleweed) * Greg Eames (magespawn) * Vince-0 (Vince-0) * Karl Wortmann (Cantide) * Miles Sharpe (Kilos) * Raoul Snyman (superfly) * Jeandre Henderson (theblazehen) * Maia Grotepass (maiatoday) * Una Karlsen (SmilyBorg) * jp Meijers (Kerbero) * Geoffrey (smile) * Magda Smith (magtie) * zeref * Neil Oosthuizen (nlsthzn) Raw Log ======= [17:30:59] Maaz: start meeting about Monthly IRC Meeting [17:30:59] * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles [17:31:06] Maaz: I am Johan Mynhardt [17:31:06] nuvolari: Okay [17:31:09] log them in anyway [17:31:17] I am Jeandre Henderson [17:31:23] Maaz: I am Greg Eames [17:31:23] magespawn: Alrighty [17:31:28] Maaz, I am Miles Sharpe [17:31:28] Kilos: Alrighty [17:31:29] Maaz I am Wikus van Dyk [17:31:29] mazal: Sure [17:31:35] Maaz: I am Jeandre Henderson [17:31:35] theblazehen: Yessir [17:31:44] magespawn: the billion doesn't seem to take the settings when I apply them :-/ it's a mission [17:31:47] hehe [17:31:48] I'll try later [17:31:53] Welcome everyone [17:32:05] Maaz: I am jp Meijers [17:32:05] Kerbero: Alrighty [17:32:05] Maaz: I am Magda Smith [17:32:05] magtie: Okay [17:32:08] Maaz, welcome [17:32:08] Welcome to tonights meeting everyone [17:32:16] Telkom Billion nuvolari? [17:32:23] thank you maiatoday for being around tonight :> [17:32:25] maaz: I am Una Karlsen [17:32:25] SmilyBorg: Done [17:32:53] magespawn: MWeb [17:32:57] but I guess they are the same [17:33:05] lets chat later [17:33:09] Maaz: I am Karl Wortmann [17:33:09] Cantide: Righto [17:33:11] cool [17:33:26] Kilos who is chair [17:33:27] Ok, who still needs an introduction? [17:33:35] o/ [17:33:35] nuvolari, maiatoday [17:33:59] tumbleweed, you here? [17:34:01] * nuvolari het skaafwerk nodig, die stoel het splinters :P [17:34:17] inetpro, ping [17:34:26] Maaz: topic Welcoming and Introduction [17:34:26] Current Topic: Welcoming and Introduction [17:34:32] which is actually done... [17:34:43] sorry, I was asleep :P [17:34:47] hehe [17:34:54] Maaz I am Maia Grotepass [17:34:54] maiatoday: Sure [17:35:19] Maaz: topic Review Previous Minutes [17:35:19] Current Topic: Review Previous Minutes [17:35:37] Ok, link for the previous minutes: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-11-19-17-32-43.txt [17:36:32] I'm quickly going to scan through it. Please feel welcome to bring up points of interest from the past meeting if you have the urge to do so [17:37:18] Kilos: hi, I'm here [17:37:34] ah good ty tumbleweed [17:37:52] tell the bot who you are [17:37:54] hehe [17:38:16] We have a good attendance tonight, even though it's a quiet time (people spending time with loved ones etc.) [17:38:22] Maaz: I am Stefano Rivera [17:38:22] tumbleweed: Righto [17:38:50] Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman [17:38:50] superfly: Sure [17:39:17] hmm, think I forgot to say hi SmilyBorg :) Hello [17:39:24] nuvolari: I'm not spending time with my loved ones, I just have the family around today [17:39:34] [17:39:44] hi nuvolari [17:40:40] I have no comments on the minutes,. [17:40:46] in the meantime, was there any new IRC-faces around this month? [17:40:56] ya [17:41:14] but none here now [17:42:10] ok, done scanning, I don't have any comments either [17:42:20] I think we are doing good generally speaking [17:43:47] I'll give it a minute or 2 more [17:45:17] i missed the last meeting :'( [17:45:38] aw :-/ Well, you can always make up tonight Cantide :) [17:45:43] but after scanning it, there is nothing from it that i wish to discuss :p [17:45:49] nuvolari, I hope i can :) [17:45:55] moving on... [17:46:11] Maaz: topic Administrativia and Announcements [17:46:11] Current Topic: Administrativia and Announcements [17:46:57] I think the most important announcement is tomorrows LoCo Re-Approval meeting [17:47:12] but I added it as an item under events [17:47:22] Where and when is the meeting taking place? [17:47:23] so we might keep it off until then [17:47:28] okay [17:48:50] trying to find the exact channel quick [17:49:39] we meet here around 19.30 and join there before 20.00 [17:50:05] when, tomorrow? [17:50:11] ya [17:50:17] cool, i should be around [17:50:21] maiatoday, channel for reapp? [17:50:29] ubuntu-meeting? [17:50:30] No, it is 20:00 UTC, which makes it 22:00 for us [17:50:32] IIRC [17:50:35] #ubuntu-meeting I think [17:50:45] oh my [17:50:46] ouch, that's after my bedtime :p [17:50:47] * inetpro stepping into the room [17:50:47] Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer [17:50:47] inetpro: Done [17:50:49] "Tuesday 18th December 2012, 20:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting on irc.freenode.net. I have put us on the agenda." [17:50:49] Yes 22:00 [17:50:53] sorry for being late [17:50:53] welcome inetpro [17:51:02] again [17:51:05] quoted maiatoday there [17:51:08] wb inetpro [17:51:18] My cut and paste us slow I am on the tablet [17:51:28] ty superfly [17:51:40] who's running the mailing list? [17:51:48] or has access to the info [17:51:48] peeps can take an early nap and come back for the meeting [17:52:00] that I don't know, and we need some of that numbers for the stats [17:52:30] I will work on the wiki page tomorrow morning some more [17:52:42] I will add the photos I collected [17:53:06] maiatoday: I took a look at the wiki page and I think it looks good, thanks! [17:53:39] The only section bugging me is the stats section, it's kind of repeating the online activities section, not? [17:53:56] It needs a few touch ups and then I think it should be ok [17:53:59] nuvolari: as far as I am aware drubin_ still has access to the mailing list details [17:54:28] We had a stats section last time but we are missing something stats [17:54:50] inetpro: thanks, I'll mail him to find out about that [17:54:52] Last time we had graphs of irc activity [17:55:09] Maaz: agreed nuvolari to find out about mailing list stats from drubin_ [17:55:09] Agreed: nuvolari to find out about mailing list stats from drubin_ [17:55:25] If we don't have useful stats by tomorrow we could take that section out [17:55:28] maiatoday: we tried getting some irc stats [17:55:36] Ok [17:56:04] sadly the page which gave stats last time around stopped doing it some time I think in 2010 or 2011 [17:56:30] meh :-/ [17:56:32] I don't think it's that serious if we don't have stats [17:56:51] should someone be tasked with running a bot that collects stats? [17:56:56] yeah, they can take our word for it :P we were quite active this year [17:57:02] superfly and myself tried something but it ended up not being so simple as expected [17:57:07] I think the most important one is the number of active members in the community [17:57:18] problem is to find the time [17:57:21] If the wiki page is pretty decent and a fair amount of us go to the meeting we should be ok [17:57:29] I have something that is workable (And I'm working on at the moment) [17:57:40] Also once I add the slide show it will help too [17:57:51] ooh :> slides [17:57:53] it is not 100% accurate, but it should be good enough to give people a feel for how active the channel is on average [17:58:08] That's fine [17:58:13] superfly: good news! [17:58:14] okay ? [17:58:18] thank you superfly, greatly appreciated! [17:58:21] thanks for your efforts [17:58:28] Just a [17:58:34] a [17:58:41] a? [17:58:46] a! [17:58:48] hehe [17:58:53] :P [17:58:56] Picasa album I'll see if I can make it work on the wiki [17:59:07] ty maiatoday [17:59:10] that will be cool to see [17:59:14] ty superfly [17:59:16] Bleargh tablet auto correct [17:59:34] It's the same one that is on my last Blogger post [17:59:44] link? [18:00:02] ok, I'm moving the reapproval items to administrativia [18:00:21] https://picasaweb.google.com/109121642496019706308/UbuntuZa2010To2012?authuser=0&feat=directlink [18:00:25] think it's that one [18:00:41] went straight to google+ for me [18:00:45] *redirected [18:01:32] picasa has basicly been rolled into g+now [18:01:33] maiatoday: can I add al link to the google+ event for the meeting we had in durbs? [18:02:44] Sure [18:02:46] * Cantide missed the meeting in Durban, too :'( [18:02:49] https://plus.google.com/events/c142k82osntadrdi5nf5bi7mj4g?banner=pwa [18:03:10] [18:03:45] hi smile welcome to our meeting [18:03:46] welcome smile :) [18:03:52] :-) that was a fun event [18:04:10] hi :) [18:04:13] Pu [18:04:14] nuvolari: what else is there to discuss about tomorrow? [18:04:14] :p [18:04:28] Add links to the wiki [18:04:28] ditto! It's been nice to get out to mingle with geeks in the area [18:04:43] inetpro: I don't think there is much more for tomorroww [18:04:56] I'm pretty excited for tomorrow's reapproval meeting [18:04:59] Or in here then I'll pick them up from the minutes and add tgem [18:05:00] thanks nuvolari [18:05:02] :D [18:05:06] french did to well :) [18:05:10] * go [18:05:30] nuvolari: in that case I just want us to focus for a minute on our website, that is if superfly is ready to discuss it [18:05:51] I guess [18:05:52] perhaps we can move the item to our next meeting [18:05:54] what's up? [18:05:57] ok right, we can do that [18:06:12] superfly: we where discussing having just a plain static site [18:06:16] inetpro: your decision [18:06:20] were* [18:06:59] so the meeting has to decide whether we keep things as is or whether we simplify it [18:07:16] Kilos: thanks I'll not disturb your meeting [18:07:30] not a lot of things that are changing on the website at the moment [18:07:44] you may join in smile just give your name to maaz [18:08:21] Maaz: I am smile [18:08:21] smile: Righto [18:08:28] Maaz: smile [18:08:28] smile: smile is showing you some love [18:08:29] anyone is welcome to share their point of view [18:08:34] no man true name [18:08:45] Maaz: geoffrey [18:08:45] smile: Huh? [18:08:47] :o [18:08:52] I don't get it :| [18:08:55] lol [18:09:01] I am Name [18:09:08] Maaz: I am Geoffrey [18:09:08] smile: Okay [18:09:12] jaay :) [18:09:16] whew '< [18:09:18] sorry for the "flood" [18:09:20] I don't have any comments on the website [18:09:25] I do have some :) [18:09:25] what website are we discussing? link? [18:09:28] anyone want to add something? [18:09:34] static is always faster :) [18:09:36] I think to simplify it would help ya [18:09:36] http://ubuntu-za.org/ [18:09:39] but more difficult to edit :| [18:09:39] what is the benefit of static inetpro? [18:09:41] aah, of course [18:09:44] but it's good as is, not? [18:10:08] superfly: you are hosting? [18:10:10] yeah, some design tweaks maybe :) [18:10:43] I had an idea for the website [18:11:26] mazal: an idea? [18:11:36] How about a little "bio" area where members can just give their short history of how they started with ubuntu and their experiences etc [18:11:56] mazal: we can have that on the ubuntu wiki [18:12:02] mazal: the problem with the web site is that no one has the time to maintain it. [18:12:07] inetpro: no, CLUG hosts it [18:12:12] ahh [18:12:18] * inetpro remembers now [18:12:26] superfly maybe a team to do it? [18:12:30] or group [18:12:39] magespawn: doesn't work, already did that [18:12:48] i can do basic stuff [18:12:49] superfly: what is CLUG? :) [18:12:53] a hosting company? [18:12:53] oh okay [18:12:59] Maaz: google for CLUG [18:12:59] superfly: "Urban Dictionary: clug" http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=clug :: "Clug" http://wiki.clug.org.za/wiki/Main_Page :: "CLUG | All Linux, All the Time" http://www.clug.org/ :: "Edward Clug - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Clug :: "Welcome to Canberra Linux Users Group" http://clug.org.au/ :: "CLUG Home | Canberra LEGO® User Group - Adult LEGO Fans ..." http://www.clug.com.au/ :: "Clemson Linux Users Group - Another Nifty Geeklog Site" http://clemsonlinux.org/ :: "Le sacre du printemps by Edward Clug with Maribor Ballet - YouTube" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-agaQbRtHo [18:13:12] lol [18:13:21] the second one smile [18:13:26] * inetpro love Lego [18:13:34] loves* [18:13:39] okay, cool! :) [18:14:08] I would start a lego user group but got too many things on my plate as it is [18:14:10] superfly as long as the changes are not too hectic i should be able to manage it [18:14:19] Can we agree that this will be discussed in more detail? [18:14:26] superfly in drupal? [18:14:35] magespawn: yes [18:14:48] would be a good learning curve [18:15:27] *IF* we continue with Drupal, we will also need to upgrade to D7 [18:16:28] but we need more than just one person [18:16:34] ahh well i am fairly easy [18:16:50] ok, we might need to move on if we wish to cover everything in time. We can add this to the following meeting's agenda too? [18:16:53] I have some experience with PHP [18:16:59] I may lend a hand when i have time [18:17:21] ok superfly, do we agree to keep as is and try get more people involved? [18:17:35] +1 [18:17:36] then we discuss again at next meeting? [18:17:44] +1 [18:17:47] we can do that [18:18:03] I'd like us to look at the purpose of the web site [18:18:04] +1 [18:18:12] Cantide: learn some Python [18:18:22] * Cantide dies [18:18:26] Cantide: leave PHP for the script kiddies and the wannabes [18:18:29] hehe [18:18:38] nuvolari: next topic? [18:18:52] Pythons are dangerous >_> [18:18:52] Maaz: agreed Discuss future of the website by involving more help and re-thinking the purpose of the website. [18:18:52] Agreed: Discuss future of the website by involving more help and re-thinking the purpose of the website [18:19:15] Maaz: topic Ubuntu+1 status and feedback [18:19:15] Current Topic: Ubuntu+1 status and feedback [18:19:19] inetpro or magespawn: are you going to run with that? [18:20:01] superfly: I will follow up again in the evenings, and will try help where I can [18:20:03] * superfly has family to deal with now [18:20:09] superfly: :( [18:20:28] with the website superfly? [18:20:35] magespawn: yes [18:20:41] i've seen some more complains this last couple of weeks on the mailing list on the latest ubuntu release [18:21:00] * inetpro will discuss with magespawn and others and when superfly has time he will chime in [18:21:00] sure i can commit sometime to it [18:21:01] I don't know how much of that is caused by user error though :P [18:21:24] nuvolari: in most cases, user error I think [18:21:53] also, people thinking that a reinstall will fix stuff when 99% of cases it won't [18:21:59] As for 12.10, I'm still running 12.04 so I can't comment. However, I did upgrade my brother's netbook to have an ubuntu dualboot with 12.10 [18:22:09] nuvolari, I had trouble and went back to 12.04; but then again, i did an upgrade and not a clean install, and on top of that i had some hardware trouble at the same time, so I can't make a fair judgement [18:22:23] I did use 12.10 and it was very buggy and very slow [18:22:40] mazal: I have the same experience. [18:23:01] In general it seems that we have mixed experiences, both great and less great [18:23:10] all in all, i felt that webapps were not as useful as i thought they'd be, and there wasn't much else new there that would bring me back to 12.10 instead of just waiting for the next version [18:23:24] * nlsthzn pops in and says, "alo" [18:23:27] yeah.. I expected the alpha releases/beta releases to be buggy (they were) [18:23:29] hi nlsthzn [18:23:33] hi nlsthzn [18:23:34] but the stable releases were still buggy [18:23:40] which is a shame [18:23:43] hey nlsthzn :) [18:23:48] My web apps crash alot [18:23:50] tell maaz who you are nlsthzn [18:23:58] ah meeting still ongoing [18:24:03] yip [18:24:06] Maaz: my name is Neil Oosthuizen [18:24:06] nlsthzn: One learns a new thing every day [18:24:14] lol i am [18:24:14] well, I guess you can't blame them that much, as the LTS versions will be around much longer now [18:24:16] my web apps used a lot of memory and weren't really helpful because i had to have the web pages open anyway -.-v [18:24:19] nlsthzn: please sign the register [18:24:19] ai [18:24:30] did I do it wrong again [18:24:31] the llvmpipe thing has made a world of difference to me, but had a nasty issue in lightdm the other day that wouldnt let me change between windoww managers/desktop environments [18:24:36] I suspect they will not focus on it to have the releaces in between spotless [18:24:40] nlsthzn, maaz i am [18:24:43] * inetpro 's connection is lagging [18:24:47] Maaz: I am Neil Oosthuizen [18:24:47] nlsthzn: Sure [18:24:53] thanks uncle Kilos [18:24:57] yw [18:25:26] * nuvolari googles llvmpipe [18:25:55] nuvolari, all releases should be spotless - what if it's a new users first experience with Ubuntu [18:26:09] I agree with Cantide [18:26:22] true [18:26:26] What's the point of having a release every 6 months , but it feels like a beta [18:26:29] I guess you're right :-/ [18:26:38] we aim to have all releases be high quality [18:26:39] Then rather release once a year a proper stable one [18:26:52] LTS releases get special polish because they have to be supported for longer [18:27:02] but all releases should be fit for use [18:27:16] i usually stay on the lts [18:27:22] I feel they don't give themselves enough time on each release [18:27:23] LTS [18:27:41] I'm one of the lucky ones, I did not have many issues lately [18:27:44] i usually skip a release [18:28:02] ok, time is chasing us :-/ [18:28:08] i had a lot of freezing on 12.10, but i'm not sure if that was caused by faulty hardware or not [18:28:19] I don't think more time would help. More time spent on polish rather than features, wouldl, though [18:28:35] tumbleweed, agreed [18:28:39] nuvolari, yes :/ [18:28:44] * nlsthzn wonders what the topic is? [18:29:00] Maaz: current topic [18:29:00] nuvolari: *blink* [18:29:04] argh :-/ [18:29:07] lol [18:29:07] lol [18:29:08] ah blink... [18:29:08] hehe [18:29:16] it seems we went a bit off topic :D oops! [18:29:28] Ubuntu+1 status and feedback <-- nlsthzn [18:29:28] It is Ubuntu +1 [18:29:35] snap [18:29:48] moving on... [18:29:50] What is Ubuntu +1 btw ? [18:29:54] RR [18:29:57] i wanted to ask the same thing [18:29:58] Maaz: topic Events [18:29:58] Current Topic: Events [18:30:06] 13.04 [18:30:14] aha [18:30:15] 12.10 + 1 = 13.04 [18:30:28] I need to go now thanks all, I sort the wiki page for the re-approval and see you at the meeting tomorrow [18:30:36] ty maiatoday [18:30:37] maiatoday: good night [18:30:41] thanks maiatoday [18:30:42] see ya [18:30:43] for everything [18:30:47] :) [18:30:50] ok maiatoday, thanks for popping in [18:30:58] Ok so just for info's sake , it's 10pm tomorrow ? [18:31:02] see you morrow night [18:31:04] Yes [18:31:06] mazal: affirmative [18:31:09] sjoe [18:31:20] in #ubuntu-meeting [18:31:26] * nlsthzn does the math... midnight in the UAE :'( [18:31:36] eek nlsthzn [18:31:52] aw :-/ [18:31:53] no worries, will be there [18:31:59] ty [18:32:16] back on topic... tomorrow is an important event :p [18:32:36] * Kilos agrees [18:32:38] yeah, but we covered most of tomorrow earlier [18:32:47] I'm confident that it will go well [18:32:58] How many you need ? [18:32:58] community participation was good the past year [18:33:15] mazal: how many of what? [18:33:27] Members to join the meeting tomorrow [18:33:28] * SmilyBorg adds tomorrow's meeting to her calendar [18:33:45] well, as many as we can get [18:33:48] can't promise anything, but will attend if I can [18:33:56] we need pom-poms to cheer us on too [18:33:56] me, too [18:34:04] hehe [18:34:05] nuvolari, I'll try to be here too [18:34:32] ok great [18:34:46] Weather permitting [18:34:48] is there any other events this holidays? [18:34:51] *are [18:35:12] we discussed some things for next year in the Durban area [18:35:25] LPI get-togethers [18:35:43] * SmilyBorg nods [18:35:52] and a DLUG meeting in January/February [18:35:56] I missed those discussions 'o' [18:36:06] where could i get the log? [18:36:14] Cantide: did you attend the last get-together? [18:36:28] no :/ [18:36:29] Cantide: we discussed it at the DLUG year-end [18:36:32] I was working [18:36:37] meh :-/ [18:36:47] okay, no worry, i will keep an eye out here for info as things happen [18:36:48] the DBN-LUG is kinda quite most of the time but things are warming up. we've managed to have events about every 6 weeks lately [18:37:41] I had a look through my mail today, the first Ubuntu Hour we had in durbs was Dec 2010 I think [18:37:51] SUUP! [18:37:53] and not that frequent after that [18:37:59] yo Vince-0! [18:38:03] haai [18:38:09]