Meeting about Monthly irc meet

Convened at 2013-11-25 18:31:27.346786 by kbmonkey in #ubuntu-za on freenode

Minutes

[18:31:27] STARTED (kbmonkey)
[18:32:41] TOPIC: Welcome and introduction (kbmonkey)
[18:37:44] TOPIC: open questions (kbmonkey)
[19:25:43] TOPIC: closing and choosing next chair (kbmonkey)
[19:29:12] AGREED: kbmonkey to chair the next meeting (kbmonkey)
[19:29:27] ENDED (kbmonkey)

Present

Raw Log

[18:31:27] <kbmonkey> Maaz, start meeting about Monthly irc meet
[18:31:27] * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[18:31:31] <inetpro> Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer
[18:31:31] <Maaz> inetpro: Alrighty
[18:31:40] <kbmonkey> Kilos, stop it. I am on a very slow connection
[18:31:52] <Kilos> Maaz, I am Miles Sharpe
[18:31:52] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[18:32:04] <Kilos> lol
[18:32:04] <nlsthzn> Maaz, I am Neil Oosthuizen
[18:32:04] <Maaz> nlsthzn: Yessir
[18:32:10] <kbmonkey> Maaz, I am Wesley Werner
[18:32:10] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Sure
[18:32:10] <tal0n> Maaz, I am Daan Schutte
[18:32:10] <Maaz> tal0n: Righto
[18:32:11] <Kilos> sorry monkey
[18:32:13] <plustwo> Maaz: I am Oupa Mok
[18:32:13] <Maaz> plustwo: Sure
[18:32:14] <Lionthinker> Maaz, I am Leon Marincowitz
[18:32:14] <Maaz> Lionthinker: Sure
[18:32:22] <kbmonkey> Kilos, ;P
[18:32:30] <Lionthinker> am I logged in
[18:32:41] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Welcome and introduction
[18:32:41] <Maaz> Current Topic: Welcome and introduction
[18:32:41] <Kilos> yp
[18:32:55] <nlsthzn> Hello everybody
[18:33:01] <kbmonkey> Hello and welcome everybody to tonight's meeting
[18:33:02] <Kilos> hello body
[18:33:15] <Kilos> Maaz, welcome
[18:33:15] <Maaz> Welcome to tonights meeting everyone
[18:33:15] <kbmonkey> Our very small agenda can be found at http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/681/detail/
[18:33:25] <kbmonkey> Maaz, thanks
[18:33:25] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Okay :-)
[18:33:50] <Lionthinker> that is a small agenda
[18:33:56] <inetpro> thanks kbmonkey, looks like a wide and open agenda to me :-)
[18:34:18] <kbmonkey> in the last meeting minutes we have.. Release parties!
[18:34:39] <kbmonkey> indeed inetpro - I am thinking we can maybe have an open question topic...
[18:34:44] <Symmetria> sup!
[18:34:53] <Symmetria> http://www.alstonnetworks.net/house <=== new house in kenya!
[18:35:03] <inetpro> Symmetria: welcome to our monthly meeting
[18:35:21] <Kilos> hi Symmetria login with maaz for the meeting
[18:35:31] <kbmonkey> to update: has anyone had release parties this month for 13.10?
[18:35:47] <Symmetria> oh you having a meeting :) sorry
[18:35:47] <kbmonkey> welcome Symmetria
[18:36:02] <Symmetria> Maaz: I'm Andrew Alston
[18:36:02] <Maaz> Symmetria: Huh?
[18:36:03] <Kilos> Symmetria, join us man
[18:36:11] <Symmetria> Maaz, I'm Andrew Alston
[18:36:11] <Maaz> Symmetria: Excuse me?
[18:36:12] * inetpro not aware of any parties that happened
[18:36:19] <Kilos> I am is the way
[18:36:22] <kbmonkey> the bot does not do contractions :(
[18:36:26] <Symmetria> lol
[18:36:29] <Symmetria> Maaz I am Andrew Alston
[18:36:29] <Maaz> Symmetria: Sure
[18:36:46] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[18:36:46] <Maaz> superfly: Alrighty
[18:36:59] <kbmonkey> yey
[18:37:02] <inetpro> do we have any new members here... apart from Symmetria
[18:37:16] <superfly> except Symmetria is not new :-P
[18:37:17] <Lionthinker> yip
[18:37:26] <Kilos> rofl
[18:37:27] <kbmonkey> alright since our agenda is actually tiny, lets have a open discussion
[18:37:44] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic open questions
[18:37:44] <Maaz> Current Topic: open questions
[18:37:47] <Kilos> Lionthinker, you been here before i think
[18:37:51] <Lionthinker> yip
[18:37:59] <Symmetria> I actually have a question thats relevant, how are people finding the performance of the current african mirror servers
[18:38:03] <Lionthinker> I always forgot about monthly meeting
[18:38:17] <Lionthinker> Kilos but the Google Plus reminder definitly helped
[18:38:24] <inetpro> Symmetria: good question
[18:38:34] <Kilos> yay thank inetpro for that
[18:38:42] <Kilos> i dont go g+
[18:38:49] <inetpro> our za mirrors have really been unstable
[18:38:55] <Lionthinker> Symmetria, i stick on the Stellenbosch/academic one
[18:38:57] <Kilos> bad Symmetria
[18:39:06] <Kilos> only main still seems ok
[18:39:12] <Lionthinker> agree, the others are bad
[18:39:39] <Symmetria> I'm attempting desperately to bring up a new major mirror in east africa, but there is one caveat to that, it will perform fantastically to everywhere in southern and eastern africa at really low latency *except* if you are on telkom or MTN
[18:39:55] <inetpro> eish!
[18:39:56] <Symmetria> Vodacom latency to it should be fixed in the next few days
[18:39:59] <kbmonkey> great question! I find them okay mostly, a few hiccups. but I don't have the speed or bandwidth to see any noticable change
[18:40:06] <Kilos> eish Symmetria fix it
[18:40:14] <Symmetria> Kilos, Vodacom = easy to fix
[18:40:24] <Kilos> no fix telkom
[18:40:28] <Symmetria> MTN = probably never gonna happen, especially after the email I just sent them telling them to die in a fire
[18:40:29] <Kilos> forget mtn
[18:40:41] <Symmetria> and Telkom? getting peering with Telkom is nigh impossible
[18:40:48] <Kilos> telkom is growing fast
[18:40:52] <inetpro> Symmetria: can't we find somebody at Telkom to fix things up for us?
[18:41:11] <Lionthinker> Telkom mobile might join with Cell C, so that might do something
[18:41:15] <Symmetria> inetpro, Telkom refuses to peer, the only way to get a decent mirror to service telkom clients is to put one at telkom itself
[18:41:34] <Symmetria> we're working on a way to peer with Telkom but I don't see it happening in the short term
[18:41:34] <inetpro> so maybe it is time that we do that
[18:41:37] <Kilos> yes Symmetria work with them
[18:41:58] <Symmetria> Kilos telkom doesnt work with people, Telkom sues people as an alternative ;p
[18:42:01] <Kilos> cellc sucks
[18:42:01] <kbmonkey> like a dedicated server in their base of ops?
[18:42:20] <Symmetria> kbmonkey or anywhere with high speed connectivity that is on their network
[18:42:49] <Symmetria> actually, if mweb put down a proper stable mirror you'd get ok connectivity to it from Telkom
[18:42:51] * nlsthzn just re-fixed his S3... just saying :/ now I can pay more attention
[18:42:58] <Lionthinker> Kilos, yes but they shaking up the market and will do so even more if merged with Telkom
[18:43:22] <Symmetria> but to give you an idea just how bad the situation is, the latency from Telkom -> Liquid South africa is 4 times the latency from IS -> Liquid Kenya ;p
[18:43:25] <Lionthinker> don't want to sound like an idiot, but how does one set up a mirror?
[18:43:50] <Symmetria> lionthinker, a server, with a fair amount of disk space, running an ftp daemon, a web daemon and an rsync script
[18:43:59] <inetpro> Lionthinker: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors
[18:44:04] <Kilos> major work if you want it to be recoknised with ubuntu
[18:44:22] <Kilos> recognised
[18:44:34] <inetpro> NOTE: information on that link may be outdated
[18:45:01] <kbmonkey> very interesting
[18:45:03] <Lionthinker> thanks inetpro and Symmetria
[18:45:31] <inetpro> the mailing lists seem very quiet as well
[18:45:36] <kbmonkey> also to echo what nlsthzn linked earlier, there is a new local communities health check process.
[18:45:46] <Lionthinker> who manages our country mirror
[18:46:10] <Kilos> we got about 6
[18:47:10] <kbmonkey> http://lococouncil.ubuntu.com/2013/08/25/new-local-communities-healthcheck/
[18:47:36] <Lionthinker> is there a comparison between them?
[18:48:00] <Kilos> we used to have to be approved yearly
[18:48:13] <Kilos> well still do so far
[18:48:31] <Kilos> you shoulda come here earlier we were discussing it
[18:49:16] <inetpro> looks like we need people from #ubuntu-za to sit in on meetings at #ubuntu-meeting
[18:49:30] <Kilos> you
[18:49:59] <inetpro> Kilos: eish! Like many others I erally struggle to find time
[18:50:01] <kbmonkey> Lionthinker, there is a small comparison on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors (scroll down to South Africa)
[18:50:06] <inetpro> really*
[18:50:17] <Lionthinker> kbmonkey, thanks much appreciated
[18:51:22] <Lionthinker> inetpro, but the process seems to be easier, they've changed the name from I think verification to something else I forget
[18:51:45] <kbmonkey> I always thought that repo archives should be one bandwidth resource we should not be charged for
[18:51:53] <kbmonkey> but that is a pipe dream
[18:52:26] <inetpro> kbmonkey: that would be ideal
[18:52:26] <kbmonkey> "approved" -> "verified"
[18:53:17] <kbmonkey> to remind everyone, this is our meeting and it is an open question topic :)
[18:53:38] <Lionthinker> anyway it seems somewhat less strenous from what I read on the blogs
[18:56:26] <kbmonkey> not sure if it is telkom or me, but the mobile broadband connectivity is pretty unstable lately
[18:56:53] <Lionthinker> usually its good for me but tonight seems poor
[18:57:03] <captine> Hi. For open discussion, I emailed canonical to ask if they had any success stories in SA with clients using ubuntu desktops etc in place of windows (our company has just began migrating from novel group wise onto active directory + the whole MS thing… didn't get a good response other than a standard one saying I should ask questions on askubuntu…. anyone here know of any companies moving to Ubuntu (am sure I saw FNB tellers using ubuntu, but coul
[18:57:03] <captine> wrong).
[18:57:59] <Lionthinker> captine, that's right FNB does use ubuntu, also at their training centres
[18:58:31] <kbmonkey> interesting captine - perhaps you reached a tech support area that did not know that information
[18:58:31] <Lionthinker> but not in their hq and admin side. I think its more for the server and locked done terminal type thing for tellers
[18:58:39] <kbmonkey> FNB uses Ubuntu? wow!
[18:58:59] <Lionthinker> yah Steve is great
[18:59:08] <captine> I thought so. It was pretty custom, with a more traditional windows xp bottom task bar, but looked slick
[18:59:09] <Lionthinker> ;-D
[18:59:38] <Lionthinker> Perhaps we could get them to be more vocal, it would contribute to Free Software
[18:59:39] <inetpro> captine: nice one!
[19:00:07] <Lionthinker> Something like compiling a list of companies that use Ubuntu and popularise it
[19:00:34] <captine> I just get ripped off by our IT team whenever talking about ubuntu etc. they ripping out our current slackware routers etc, and putting in big money cisco and IS mols etc… fun.
[19:00:49] * inetpro is convinced that there are many more who are just not (for who knows what reasons) willing to talk about it (yet)
[19:00:53] <captine> sorry, not slackware… meant suse
[19:01:06] <kbmonkey> In related news the guys from the new linuxvoice magazine started releasing podcasts - http://www.linuxvoice.com/category/podcasts/
[19:01:40] <captine> anyone know where fhb would get their support from? always told there is no support or linux…. but that is from our Windows admins and consultants :)
[19:01:50] <Vince-0> captine: who supports the Suse environment?
[19:02:05] <captine> a 1 man IT show.
[19:02:08] <Vince-0> Obsidian, Synaq maybe
[19:02:26] <Vince-0> whaat 1 man? then it makes sense to move risk to a corporate support
[19:02:49] <captine> great guy, but current infrastructure setup based on old dial up type network… so it hasn't given linux a good name in our companuy.
[19:02:59] <Vince-0> and LSD - these are good support corporates
[19:03:51] <Vince-0> Even local Avaya support runs on some RHEL installs, there are corporates locally
[19:04:25] <Lionthinker> on a sidenote: does anyone have an interest in Open and Linked data
[19:05:36] <Vince-0> brb
[19:06:05] <captine> Lionthinker: what is that?
[19:06:33] <kbmonkey> I was wondering the same....
[19:07:07] <Lionthinker> captine, Tim Berners-Lee started it. Its where data sets are opened for public use or analysis. the Raw data
[19:07:08] <kbmonkey> huh, I did not know there were that many corp linux supports around. How interesting.
[19:07:21] <inetpro> btw, this whole linux skills shortage debate annoys me
[19:07:37] <kbmonkey> yes I have such an interest Lionthinker
[19:07:45] <captine> inetpro: annoys me to. this is what our execs were sold…
[19:07:45] <inetpro> it's not just linux skills that are scarce, its an industry problem is you ask me
[19:08:02] <Lionthinker> Which means the more data sets that are open, the greater the possibility to create links through a community to find links that weren't seen beforehand-hence open or linked data
[19:08:03] <inetpro> if you ask me*
[19:08:37] <Lionthinker> kbmonkey, have you had any experience in the area. I'm researching it and trying to put a proposal together
[19:09:37] <kbmonkey> yes inetpro very much so. also found anything with the open source or free labels are not trusted in ZA. While embraced in other countries.
[19:09:45] <Vince-0> http://www.clug.org.za/links/cape-town-linux-companies/
[19:10:06] <inetpro> there is lots and lots of scope for anyone who really wants to learn and get to know IT
[19:10:18] <kbmonkey> ...at least at every company I worked at
[19:10:24] <Lionthinker> FLOSS needs a special interest lobby group!
[19:10:37] <kbmonkey> maybe I just end up with the pig-headed ones ;)
[19:11:20] <kbmonkey> Lionthinker, no I have not any experience with it directly.
[19:11:20] <inetpro> FLOSS really makes life so much easier for everyone
[19:11:26] <Lionthinker> kbmonkey, yes they called SA exec's and no one is spared
[19:12:04] <Lionthinker> kbmonkey, sad, me neither. but similar to FlOSS its so easy to learn, so I'm hiking up that step learning curve
[19:12:28]
[19:13:04] <kbmonkey> but I can ask for some info for you if you like Lionthinker - my sibling does statistics for aids research and have huge datasets. I can find out what they do with the results and their policy regarding aggregate data + openness
[19:14:36] <Lionthinker> kbmonkey, that would be wonderful. it would be especially poweful to share data sets and allow ngo's to correlate in such a field like aids
[19:14:45] <kbmonkey> folks, we shall be closing off the meeting in the next 15 minutes...
[19:15:16] <kbmonkey> sure thing Lionthinker :]
[19:16:16] <Kilos> np
[19:16:57] <kbmonkey> you don't have to leave the chat though ;
[19:17:04] <Kilos> ty
[19:17:11] <captine> last one from me. Other than red hat certifications, are there other linux based certifications out there that can be done in SA? I am an accountant, but keen to learn something new
[19:17:21] <Lionthinker> another thought, Jono Bacon Ubuntu Community Manager has a started a podcast http://www.badvoltage.org/
[19:17:28] <Kilos> just check there isnt anything important we leaving out kbmonkey
[19:17:58] <Kilos> captine, LPI
[19:18:09] <Kilos> Maaz, LPI
[19:18:09] <Maaz> Kilos: Sorry...
[19:18:10] <captine> Kilos: LPI?
[19:18:13] <Kilos> ai!
[19:18:27] <Kilos> linux pro stuff
[19:18:38] <Kilos> Maaz, LPI manual
[19:18:38] <Maaz> http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/sites/default/files/LPIManual_v_09.pdf
[19:18:39] <captine> Kilos: i see. google is telling me about it
[19:19:12] <Kilos> where are you theres a guy in durbs gonna help with exams i think;
[19:19:17] <Kilos> hey Vince-0
[19:19:19] <kbmonkey> ^ yes that. also there is lpi.org
[19:19:50] <Vince-0> I haven't attended a class yet
[19:20:38] <kbmonkey> the fine folks and Jumping Bean are willing to let us write the lpi exams as a group
[19:21:05] <captine> Kilos: Jhb
[19:21:10] <inetpro> NOTE: certification doesn't guarantee anything
[19:21:12] <Kilos> ah\
[19:21:45] <captine> inetpro: thanks. I am just wanting it for interest sake. a methodical way to learn a bit about linux. as mentioned, am a accountant by trade with a love for tech
[19:22:33] <kbmonkey> Yes and by increasing the number of certified techs the more interest it build in corporate business
[19:22:45] <kbmonkey> It raises credibility I guess
[19:23:38] <inetpro> captine: sure thing
[19:23:42] <kbmonkey> Alright, can I move to a closing topic...
[19:23:57] <captine> cool by me
[19:23:58] <kbmonkey> do some of you have kids already in bed?
[19:24:19] <Lionthinker> yip me
[19:24:20] <Kilos> ya the fly
[19:24:32] <Lionthinker> has anyone flashed to Ubuntu Touch?
[19:24:37] <captine> not yet. my one is still in the tummy… arriving later December… ;)
[19:24:47] <Kilos> hehe
[19:24:52] <Kilos> soon hey
[19:25:00] <superfly> mine are supposed to be in bed
[19:25:03] <Lionthinker> captine, goodluck -get as much sleep now as possible
[19:25:12] <Kilos> oh my fly
[19:25:35] <inetpro> 50% of mine have gone to sleep
[19:25:43] <Kilos> yeah you gonna forget what a nights sleep is
[19:25:43] <Lionthinker> captine, I'm even pressed to chase you to bed, as you'll never know what you've lost until its gone ;-D
[19:25:43] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic closing and choosing next chair
[19:25:43] <Maaz> Current Topic: closing and choosing next chair
[19:26:12] <kbmonkey> hehe you all are so funny :)
[19:26:24] <superfly> captine: don't let them scare you... you still get a little bit of sleep
[19:26:41] <inetpro> captine: nice to have you here by the way
[19:26:43] <captine> i tell my wife I have a downstairs room to sleep in :)
[19:26:47]
[19:26:50] <kbmonkey> Well thanks everyone for joining us, sorry we did not have a formal agenda
[19:26:51] <inetpro> hope we will see you again
[19:26:56] <Lionthinker> superfly, lie to the man
[19:27:01] <captine> inetpro: thanks. good to be here. am dead keen to get more involved in linux etc in SA
[19:27:05] <captine> where possible
[19:27:06] <kbmonkey> But this open discussion kinda got rolling nicely!
[19:27:26] <captine> thanks kbmonkey
[19:27:32] <plustwo> kbmonkey: tnx
[19:27:39] <inetpro> kbmonkey: nice job!
[19:27:50] <inetpro> anyone else willing to try chairing?
[19:28:04] <kbmonkey> I shall take the meeting again next time?
[19:28:19] <kbmonkey> I am happy with that, objections?
[19:28:30] <inetpro> +1 for kbmonkey
[19:28:32] <Kilos> captine, we are here every day not just meeting times hey
[19:28:41] <kbmonkey> I just have a bad agenda run lately ;)
[19:28:53] <plustwo> +1 for kbmonkey :)
[19:28:56] <captine> Kilos: thanks. I just moved back to SA, just moved into a house a week ago, so been pretty busy
[19:29:01] <inetpro> kbmonkey: we'll excuse you for that today
[19:29:06] <captine> trying to get all my computers back up and running in SA.
[19:29:12] <kbmonkey> Maaz, agreed kbmonkey to chair the next meeting.
[19:29:12] <Maaz> Agreed: kbmonkey to chair the next meeting
[19:29:27] <kbmonkey> Maaz, end meeting