Minutes from Meeting about Ubuntu-ZA Monthly LoCo Meeting - Dec 2013 Convened at 2013-12-23 18:32:33.159586 by nuvolari in #ubuntu-za on freenode Minutes ======= [18:32:33] STARTED (nuvolari) [18:36:30] TOPIC: Welcoming and Introduction (nuvolari) [18:41:30] TOPIC: New Local communities health check process (nuvolari) [18:44:12] AGREED: let point 'New Local communities health check process' stand over to next meeting (nuvolari) [18:46:19] TOPIC: Meeting day (nuvolari) [18:53:52] AGREED: New meeting time for 2014: 4th Tuesday of the month, starting on January 28th, 2014 (nuvolari) [18:55:01] TOPIC: Holiday spirit stories and scenic updates (nuvolari) [19:01:44] AGREED: topic for next meeting, by superfly: The current state of Internet in South Africa (nuvolari) [19:07:16] ACCEPTED: topic for future meeting: South African Internet and Government Involvement (nuvolari) [19:24:53] ACCEPTED: topic by eyesonly 'Ways to help the Ubuntu Community' (nuvolari) [19:25:38] TOPIC: Next meeting and chair (nuvolari) [19:27:07] ACCEPTED: Chair for next meeting: nuvolari (nuvolari) [19:27:21] TOPIC: Closing (nuvolari) [19:32:12] ENDED (nuvolari) Present ======= * Johan Mynhardt (nuvolari) * Raoul Snyman (superfly) * Grant Woodford (eyesonly) * Greg Eames (magespawn) * Dominic Parker (parkerdo) * georgl_ * Miles Sharpe (Kilos) * Gustav H Meyer (inetpro) * Vincent Mcman Swart (Vince-0) * tumbleweed Raw Log ======= [18:32:33] Maaz: start meeting about Ubuntu-ZA Monthly LoCo Meeting - Dec 2013 [18:32:33] * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles [18:32:42] parkerdo: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil [18:32:54] Maaz: I am Johan Mynhardt [18:32:54] nuvolari: Sure [18:32:56] Maaz: I am Miles Sharpe [18:32:56] Kilos: Okay [18:33:02] Kilos: ok cool, thanks [18:33:14] login with the bot guys [18:33:16] Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer [18:33:16] inetpro: Righto [18:33:17] Maaz: I am Grant Woodford [18:33:17] eyesonly: Righto [18:33:20] Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman [18:33:20] superfly: Done [18:33:25] for all the new people/visitors: you can identify yourself to Maaz to be included in the meeting minutes [18:33:31] oh hi superfly [18:34:04] Welcome to the meeting everyone [18:34:04] Maaz: hi, Dominic Parker [18:34:04] lo [18:34:12] this is our last meeting for 2013 [18:34:40] it was a busy year for most of us outside of the ubuntu-world, so things were very quiet [18:35:03] I might be wrong :P I was quiet, so that's just my observation [18:35:09] parkerdo: do it as follows: Maaz: I am Dominic Parker [18:35:17] most peeps were very busy [18:35:20] hi nuvolari [18:35:36] ah, sorry, should have been clearer on the ID process [18:36:00] ack [18:36:16] Maaz: I am Dominic Parker [18:36:16] parkerdo: Righto [18:36:30] Maaz: topic Welcoming and Introduction [18:36:30] Current Topic: Welcoming and Introduction [18:36:37] nuvolari: no problem, its a learning process [18:36:49] well, this topic is basically done, just needed to get it in there [18:37:54] For everyone around, thank you for a good year in Ubuntu-ZA. We started off with a bang, [18:38:10] and we're still here to finish off the year [18:38:28] The community is about you, everyone here [18:38:59] nice to see nuvolari in full song again [18:39:04] and the people on the mailing lists and everyone participating in meetings through the year [18:39:32] Kilos: +1 [18:40:04] Please give me the opportunity to wish everyone a Happy Holiday Season [18:40:17] if you are travelling, please be responsible and safe [18:40:28] ty nuvolari and they same to you and family [18:40:41] nuvolari: same there thanks [18:40:54] Unfortunately I have read that the deaths on the road in ZA is climbing already :-/ [18:41:02] ai! [18:41:06] Thanks :) [18:41:30] Maaz: topic New Local communities health check process [18:41:30] Current Topic: New Local communities health check process [18:41:39] hmm, does anyone have an idea what this is about? [18:41:46] nope [18:41:51] thank you [18:42:00] where did you get that from [18:42:29] nuvolari: I haven't seen anything happen on this front, guess it should just stand over for the next meeting [18:42:54] from the agenda oom Kilos http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/698/detail/ [18:43:00] inetpro: ok [18:43:05] It's basically the same news as always [18:43:07] it's about membership renewal, there was discussion around changing the process, not sure whether it was resolved [18:43:17] must been monkey put it there [18:43:21] it's just they're changing what it sounds like so that unofficial locos seem more official [18:43:38] Maaz: agreed: let point 'New Local communities health check process' stand over to next meeting [18:43:38] nuvolari: Sorry... [18:43:54] superfly: ah thank you [18:44:00] nuvolari: no colon [18:44:03] from what I read, anyways [18:44:12] Maaz: agreed let point 'New Local communities health check process' stand over to next meeting [18:44:12] Agreed: let point 'New Local communities health check process' stand over to next meeting [18:44:23] thanks inetpro [18:44:59] yw [18:45:03] [18:45:17] hi Vince-0 welcome to the meet [18:45:18] hmm, yeah, the lococouncil link from the agenda lists some posts, but nothing in particular that I could find straight away [18:45:21] oh hi Vince-0! [18:45:24] welcome :) [18:45:53] ok, moving on since we'll discuss it in the next meeting [18:46:10] Vince-0: just sign the attendance register for us please :-) [18:46:11] Hi, soz I'm late I forgot it was Maandag [18:46:19] Maaz: topic Meeting day [18:46:19] Current Topic: Meeting day [18:46:27] oom Kilos, do you want to have a word? [18:46:38] Maaz, I'm Vincent Swart ? [18:46:38] Vince-0: *blink* [18:46:39] nope ty [18:46:39] 'Discuss moving of the day of our monthly meeting to find out what day could be used to suit everyone. Maia included' [18:46:48] oh ya [18:46:59] oh yeah, Kilos' beloved topic ;-) [18:47:07] lol [18:47:09] Vince-0: 'I am...' [18:47:13] :P [18:47:31] Any day is fine for me, 20:30 is also the best time for me. [18:47:37] so lekker seeing emoticons on konversation [18:47:45] Kilos: perhaps time to start on a new day in the new year? [18:47:55] i forget but monday is out for maia [18:48:10] other days was thursday i think [18:48:17] I'm happy with the current day, is there a problem as is? [18:48:20] ah [18:48:29] Maaz, I am Vincent Mcman Swart [18:48:29] Vince-0: Yessir [18:48:29] superfly: so Tuesday's 20:30 ok for you as well? [18:48:34] maia has classes mondays nuvolari [18:48:38] thursdays are out [18:48:42] for me [18:48:53] Tuesday is +1 [18:49:05] tuesday sounds good to me [18:49:26] Any objections for Tuesdays at 20:30 [18:49:28] * inetpro is flexible depending on family and workload [18:49:29] i think maia's bad days were mon and thurs [18:49:32] which tuesday oom Kilos? [18:49:35] every 3rd? [18:49:53] or first [18:50:04] first or 4th i think [18:50:19] the time is perfect for me [18:50:20] other guys must say im here all the time [18:51:09] +1 for Tuesday [18:51:13] hmm, so... the first meeting in 2014 would be on the 7th of Jan? [18:51:30] ai! [18:51:36] too close methinks [18:51:44] yeah [18:51:57] thts 2 weeks time [18:52:05] 14th? [18:52:09] shall we not try to keep it close to this one, in other words, 4th Tuesday of each month [18:52:18] ok [18:52:29] that will be the 28th [18:52:31] 4th +1 [18:52:36] of Jan [18:52:41] +1 [18:52:42] thats good [18:52:53] anytime good for me [18:52:53] (for 4th Tuesday of the month) [18:53:01] * nuvolari eyes eyesonly [18:53:04] gives peeps a chance to settle into the new years saltmining [18:53:24] ok [18:53:52] Maaz: agreed New meeting time for 2014: 4th Tuesday of the month, starting on January 28th, 2014 [18:53:52] Agreed: New meeting time for 2014: 4th Tuesday of the month, starting on January 28th, 2014 [18:53:56] sounds good to me [18:54:03] cool! [18:54:23] Kilos: now you go make sure maia is here :-) [18:54:30] i will [18:54:33] Moving forward? [18:54:38] ill nag her [18:55:01] Maaz: topic Holiday spirit stories and scenic updates [18:55:01] Current Topic: Holiday spirit stories and scenic updates [18:55:25] hmm, this topic should be for after the holiday season :P we don't have stacks of pics and stories yet [18:55:58] * inetpro likes superfly's priceless fun with water [18:56:14] ooh, we got wazookas [18:56:16] I think [18:56:48] http://www.tevo.co.za/Uploads/Products/Picture1/390Wazooka_colours.png [18:56:57] oom Kilos, that's a tiny pic [18:57:13] not guilty [18:57:43] eh? [18:57:43] You know what would make a good topic of discussion that is somewhat related to Ubuntu? The current state of Internet in South Africa [18:57:46] water balloons work well too [18:57:48] haha monkey [18:58:10] eyesonly: Do you know how to make those origami-style waterbombs? [18:58:30] +1 on internet in ZA [18:58:54] eek, I used to make those when I was in primary! Can't remember for the life of me how they worked [18:58:55] superfly: no clue, i just used to fill a whole bunch, then attack classmates when they were walking home :) [18:59:00] superfly: what would you say about this topic? [18:59:08] my only complaint is mobile cost [18:59:58] yeah, it's still quite expensive :-/ [19:00:20] but very stable here with telkom mobile [19:00:30] i would like to see affordable internet for the poor, i've read about studies saying peoples standard of living, education and political awareness goes up when they have access to the internet at home [19:00:43] inetpro: everyone has something to say, hence the topic :-) [19:00:43] http://www.origami-instructions.com/origami-water-balloon.html [19:00:58] shall we leave it for the next meeting then? I'm happy to chair that part of the discussion [19:01:08] ok [19:01:11] superfly: sure thing, raising a good point, how do we address it? [19:01:23] you got plans superfly ? [19:01:27] inetpro: that's another topic for another day ;-) [19:01:34] ok [19:01:37] Kilos: not necessarily, just thinking about it recently [19:01:44] Maaz: agreed topic for next meeting, by superfly: The current state of Internet in South Africa [19:01:44] Agreed: topic for next meeting, by superfly: The current state of Internet in South Africa [19:02:06] i like that topic too, i deal with a few of the network providers as my day job [19:02:07] nuvolari: make sure it comes up in next meet if you can [19:02:34] that sounds good parkerdo welcome aboard [19:02:59] definitely a very relevant topic for many people, hope to see many people attending the discussion [19:03:06] ooh, someone to get bandwidth from :D [19:03:12] has anyone tested the ubuntu touch as yet? [19:03:14] lol [19:03:15] or does the government monitor our internet? [19:03:50] nuvolari: not that close with them [19:03:56] parkerdo: nope, another good topic for a few minutes of discussion [19:03:57] eyesonly: internet, what internet? [19:04:39] inetpro: lol, well, those who can afford it [19:05:10] inetpro: e.g. politicians, business, some activists, journalists, etc [19:05:21] superfly: i was able to install it on a google nexus recently but unbelievable lag, unlike the reviews and videos floating on youtube [19:05:43] when inetpro talks about internet he actually thinks about his indoor pool and the hangmat [19:05:48] i've got a nexus 4, i should try it on that [19:06:38] eyesonly: nice [19:07:05] perhaps tumbleweed can shed some light on progress of Ubuntu Touch [19:07:12] that phone is really fast, i switched from stock Android to cyanogen mod and got a big performance boost, plus amazing privacy control [19:07:16] Maaz: accepted topic for future meeting: South African Internet and Government Involvement [19:07:16] Accepted: topic for future meeting: South African Internet and Government Involvement [19:07:49] yay, idea accepted [19:08:03] I think 2014 will be interesting year [19:08:18] yeah, I heard something dropped about the secrecy bill? [19:08:22] small scale devices now really becoming powerfull enough to run a proper OS [19:08:39] ai! [19:08:42] last info i saw was that it should be available on smartphones in the new year [19:09:09] inetpro: what small scale devices you been playing with [19:09:29] * inetpro enjoying the Note II [19:09:41] eyesonly: only read up on cyanogen today [19:10:28] R [19:10:30] ai! [19:10:41] parkerdo, the feature that surprized me was, that i could blacklist numbers or even private numbers, so no more spam sms or calls [19:10:43] sorry [19:10:54] Kilos: whats wrong kilo? [19:11:01] inetpro: sorry, not a world I know too much about [19:11:09] hope Ubuntu Touch gives us blacklist functionality for our phones [19:11:19] ctrl+r underlines here on konversation [19:11:19] tumbleweed: hmm... ok [19:11:24] Protection of State Information Bill: http://d2zmx6mlqh7g3a.cloudfront.net/cdn/farfuture/OX5V_Gl2tA6udGll3oWWPdZi4QMpkbnb8x2UIe0JIUY/mtime:1381381143/files/bill6d-2010.pdf [19:12:18] eyesonly: if only we could do that with pvt calls [19:12:49] parkerdo, eyesonly: I have an S3, still rocking CM 10.2 - not going Ubuntu Touch any time soon, I don't think they're ever going to formally support it [19:13:29] parkerdo: my phone currently blocks pvt calls [19:13:49] gimme 5 minutes, bbiab [19:14:09] superfly: that is sad, but phones don't have a long shelf life, just make sure your next one supports it [19:14:40] superfly: honestly i am a big fan, tried it on the nexus but not impressed. wanna try it on the nexus 7, havent gotten it to work yet though [19:14:56] eyesonly: i like [19:15:03] brb [19:15:38] what other topics would you guys like to see on the agenda for another meeting? [19:15:43] I'm keen to get something like a Nexus 5, but I'm not liking where Google is going, removing functionality from AOSP and putting it into their proprietary apps (look at Hangouts supporting SMS now) [19:16:54] superfly: I agree, Hangouts and SMS integration is not working well enough for me, yet [19:18:18] hi mage [19:18:35] i enjoy trying something new, and i really like having integration. a phone that is my desktop too. ubuntu edge as an example. [19:18:42] inetpro: I'm not using it, and I plan to stay away from it [19:18:44] [19:18:54] magespawn: you're late! ;-) [19:19:02] hi magespawn welcome [19:19:04] Yes sorry [19:19:06] lol [19:19:23] superfly: I tried it just to see whether perhaps they have found a better solution, they haven't [19:19:39] Evening all [19:19:49] magespawn: wb [19:20:21] magespawn: you still have time to sign the register... Maaz: I am... [19:20:23] [19:20:28] gentleman and ladies, it has been a pleasure but i need leave. i do appreciate the warm welcome and i will definitely be. unfortunately responsibilities call at the moment. again thank you and enjoy your evening. [19:20:54] [19:20:58] parkerdo: no problem, will be good to see you back here again [19:21:19] inetpro: thank you [19:21:22] nuvolari: you still with us? [19:21:45] cheers parkerdo [19:21:51] Maaz I am Greg Eames [19:21:51] magespawn: Alrighty [19:21:52] dont be a stranger now [19:21:53] i'm back [19:21:59] had to run out quick [19:22:00] [19:22:07] Kilos: enjoy [19:22:08] discovered a 'knopie spinnekop' [19:22:12] [19:22:14] ty go well [19:22:28] eish! Is is dangerous? [19:22:45] how about ways to help the Ubuntu community, as a topic? i would like to hear everyones thoughts on that [19:22:56] eyesonly: a good topic too [19:23:31] nuvolari: I have another meeting in :30, are we gonna wrap up here soon (I need a quick break between meetings ;-) ) [19:23:49] inetpro: AFAIK they are :-/ [19:24:03] ok, just need to catch up on topics [19:24:03] nuvolari: http://www.mieliestronk.com/knopiespin.html [19:24:16] and finish off the meeting [19:24:16] 16 mins superfly ? [19:24:23] 6 sorry [19:24:53] but been nice having you here like the old days [19:24:53] Maaz: accepted topic by eyesonly 'Ways to help the Ubuntu Community' [19:24:53] Accepted: topic by eyesonly 'Ways to help the Ubuntu Community' [19:25:38] Maaz: topic Next meeting and chair [19:25:38] Current Topic: Next meeting and chair [19:25:50] I'm open for Chairing the next meeting [19:25:57] the next meeting will be on the 28th of January [19:26:00] 2014 [19:26:06] nuvolari: +1 for chair [19:26:17] +1 [19:26:21] +1 [19:26:51] inetpro: it is a bruin knopie (3rd image) [19:27:07] Maaz: accepted Chair for next meeting: nuvolari [19:27:07] Accepted: Chair for next meeting: nuvolari [19:27:21] Maaz: topic Closing [19:27:21] Current Topic: Closing [19:27:29] Right, thank you for attending the meeting everyone [19:27:39] it was a good year, and I look forward to next year [19:27:42] ! [19:27:44] ty for chairing at such short notice nuvolari [19:27:45] thank you [19:27:52] I'll definitely try to be around more often [19:28:00] staat maker [19:28:12] we have some initiative coming from the DLUG, will keep you updated on that next year [19:28:21] ty [19:28:28] You're welcome oom Kilos :) I help where I can! [19:28:36] And I, but things are moving fast [19:28:42] we are thankful [19:28:54] magespawn: yeah :-/ [19:28:59] magespawn: hi btw :P [19:29:15] ok, any last words or concerns? [19:29:17] Hey nuvolari [19:29:36] ami do any of you working class see next year being easier for you? [19:30:19] Kilos: i'm going from working class to student :/ [19:30:39] thats good. what you gonna study? [19:30:40] hopefully student life is easier [19:30:45] ack :-/ I will be hitting the books sometime next year as well [19:30:55] Kilos: maybe later in the year but not early for me [19:31:08] ai! inetpro [19:31:10] gaan rof en onbeskof afskop in die nuwe jaar [19:31:11] masters computer science, AI and robots, really excited [19:31:29] great eyesonly [19:32:01] Thanks again for everyone's involvement this year and for tonight's meeting. Have a great new year to everyone we'll only see then :) [19:32:06] * nuvolari out [19:32:11] Maybe [19:32:12] Maaz: end meeting